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  • http://www.workpermit.com/news/2006_02_09/europe/immigrants_speak_dutch.htm

    09 February 2006

    The Netherlands, home to multinational companies such as Unilever and Royal Dutch Shell Plc, may ask residents not to use foreign languages in public.

    Rotterdam, the country’s second-biggest city, last month passed a code that encourages residents to speak only Dutch in schools, at work and on the street as the city struggles to assimilate Turkish and Moroccan immigrants. Now Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk is calling for a similar national measure. Neither move includes penalties for violators.

    “I’m for such a code for all Dutch people,” Verdonk said in a Jan. 31 column in the Amsterdam-based newspaper Trouw. “In such a code, you tell people what’s expected of them and hope that they will live by it.”

    The proposal is the latest reaction to rising tensions between immigrants, who make up 10 percent of the population, and native Dutch.

    A language code may harm the Netherlands’ reputation for tolerance and multiculturalism, according to Rotterdam’s Labor Party. Dutch people speak an average of 1.59 languages other than their mother tongue, the second-highest figure in the 25 European Union nations, behind Luxembourg, according to a 2002 survey by the EU. About 75 percent of the Dutch speak English, 67 percent German and 12 percent French.

    Since 1602, when the Dutch East India Co. was created to import spices from Southeast Asia, the Dutch economy has been built on international trade. Royal Dutch Shell, Europe’s second-biggest oil company, is based in The Hague. Unilever, the world’s third-largest foodmaker, is based in Rotterdam.

    City officials in Amsterdam, the Netherlands’ largest city, and The Hague, the third-biggest, say they have no plans to introduce such language codes in their communities.

    its sad to see liberal nations introducing these daft laws pandering to populism.

    and without penalties how can it be a law? however the only way to enforce such a would be to use covert microphones and CCTV and this would run counter to human rights anywhere in the world; unless they are expecting the law to be “enforced” by peer pressure (in other words intimidation).

    Even communist and Islamic nations permit their citizens to speak a variety of different languages even if they have an “official” language – despite extensive censorship and surveillance.

    This is dodgy territory and a step backwards, it is a form of neo-colonialism and can result in people being denied their right to cultural identity (such as in victorian Wales where schoolkids were made to wear a badge of shame and flogged for speaking Welsh in class!)

    :wtf: can you imagine a law like that in Britain?… where you had to speak a certain language in public? :obey:

    you’d got London cops busting everyone from north of Hitchin :cyclop_2: cos they didn’t understand their accent

    and “half the people” in the westcountry would get put in homes :surprised

    it would be amazing :crazy_fre

    like a dialect war

    there’s some real shit being chatted in a few countries accross fortress europe…

    many threads worth in this, but myfingers are tired of typing

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    globalloon wrote:
    :wtf: can you imagine a law like that in Britain?… where you had to speak a certain language in public? :obey:

    in previous days there were many both formal and informal pressures to speak English in all parts of the Empire (including the Celtic areas of the UK) and to use only Received Pronounciation (the “posh” accent that Trevor MacDonald and the Royal Family speak, also known as a “Home Counties” accent)

    Regional accents, dialects and minority languages (such as Welsh, Scots and Cornish) were all discouraged or even outlawed at one point or another.

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    you’d got London cops busting everyone from north of Hitchin :cyclop_2: cos they didn’t understand their accent

    and “half the people” in the westcountry would get put in homes :surprised

    it would be amazing :crazy_fre

    like a dialect war

    this already exists in the fields of private business, particularly where people with power can enforce personal prejudices by their business decisions

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    Regional accents ‘bad for trade’
    An overseas accent is better for success in commercial life than an English regional one, a survey of business people has revealed.

    Among the English accents tainted with business failure are Scouse, Brummie, Cockney, Geordie and the West Country.
    The Aziz Corporation found that Home Counties, American, Scots, European, Indian or Asian were prized accents.
    “If you sound like Vera Duckworth you will face prejudice in business,” said Khalid Aziz, its chairman.
    Mr Aziz added: “Although it may not be politically correct to believe that accents matter nowadays, it is very apparent from our research that popular prejudices still exist.

    Incidentally Khalid Aziz was formerly a newsreader in the Home Counties and one of the first Asian television presenters (and he spoke with a Home Counties accent, as do many older Asians from my parents generation who were educated to college/degree level during colonial times.)

    Most younger British Asians (including myself) now speak with a less formal accent known as “Estuary English” which is similar to Cockney. (My mum sometimes complains that I “do not speak properly” but she used to be an English teacher in Malaysia!)

    General Lighting wrote:
    in previous days there were many both formal and informal pressures to speak English in all parts of the Empire (including the Celtic areas of the UK) and to use only Received Pronounciation (the “posh” accent that Trevor MacDonald and the Royal Family speak, also known as a “Home Counties” accent)

    Regional accents, dialects and minority languages (such as Welsh, Scots and Cornish) were all discouraged or even outlawed at one point or another.

    this already exists in the fields of private business, particularly where people with power can enforce personal prejudices by their business decisions

    Incidentally Khalid Aziz was formerly a newsreader in the Home Counties and one of the first Asian television presenters (and he spoke with a Home Counties accent, as do many older Asians from my parents generation who were educated to college/degree level during colonial times.)

    Most younger British Asians (including myself) now speak with a less formal accent known as “Estuary English” which is similar to Cockney. (My mum sometimes complains that I “do not speak properly” but she used to be an English teacher in Malaysia!)

    Amusing! My dad was egyptian, I’m obviously half egyptian but don’t look it and I’m often accused of having a radio 4 accent… 😉

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