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  • Digital-A wrote:
    torys for me …

    you are joking, right?

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    promising to tackle those basterd trains! … they prob wont but hey

    the rail network (as british rail) suffered chronic under investment under the tories, then they privatised it and made it even worse

    many of the same people are still MP’s or candidates for the party. how can you imagine that they will be different if they get in again

    as they said they prob wont, if i am honest i dont no a lot about politics, this is my first year voting … so i apologise if my choice in your opinion G, is wrong

    Digital-A wrote:
    as they said they prob wont, if i am honest i dont no a lot about politics, this is my first year voting … so i apologise if my choice in your opinion G, is wrong

    no apologies needed… but i would recommend looking into what the tories did last time they were in power before you give them your support….

    globalloon wrote:
    no apologies needed… but i would recommend looking into what the tories did last time they were in power before you give them your support….

    if i am honest for me and probably many others we only hear what the parties are doing from talk between others such as parents (in my case anyway), i couldnt tell you where to look for information on what the parties are actually offering even if i tried …

    ive never understood politics and when given a vote and three parties to choose from and no information to do so its difficult, children need to be taught about the parties more in school so when given the vote they can use it effectivly in my opinion anyway

    The reason the train network (and most public services) is in such a state is because of the Tory government not investing in them from 79-97 when they were in power, and in the case of the trains the shody way hte network was broken donw and sold off when it was privatised, which was deliberately done messily so no future government could realistically bring the network back under state control. The government has little control over the state of our public transport these days – it may be called public but it is all run by private companies that are in it to make money first and foremost not run a good service.

    Labour may not have done much of a job of sorting out the mess the Tories left the public services in, but to hand power back to the people that made that mess is just foolish – at least they have made some sort of attempt and the intentions to sort things out are there, instead of the intention to run them all down quite deliberately.

    I think the thing is for many of the younger members they have no real experience of life under a Tory government and so all they know is that things are a mess and this government is to blame – which it is in a sense for not making enough of their time in power – but they have no knowledge of the fact of why the mess is there in the first place having not lived through it.

    As for the Euro – soon enough Blair will be gone and Brown in – Blair wanted the Euro and Brown never has so there’s no need to worry on that one – thats why he set his famous 5 economic tests before there would be any referendum – he knew they would never be met and thus could frustrate Blair’s frankly bad idea.

    Digital-A wrote:
    ive never understood politics and when given a vote and three parties to choose from and no information to do so its difficult, children need to be taught about the parties more in school so when given the vote they can use it effectivly in my opinion anyway

    it’s difficult to teach politics in compulsory education as teachers have to be completely impartial, from the BNP to the Communist party. it doesn’t sound hard but certainly some of the political discussions we’ve had in our backward-Tory opinionated school (the kids/parents, not teachers), some of the things naive kids can come out with can be very difficult to be impartial to…

    although as kaito says, i have not really “lived” under a tory government (well, technically i have, but i was 7 when labour got into power) however a small bit of research can give even someone without a clue about politics 1000 reasons why they shouldn’t vote Tory.

    i know it’s down to each individual, but tbh although i wouldn’t vote Labour now, i would never even consider voting Tory… remember the Criminal Justice Act 1994?

    boothy wrote:
    … remember the Criminal Justice Act 1994?

    and the battle of the beanfield

    and the miner’s strike

    bot groups of people wanting to maintain their livelyhoods and lifestyles, had the hearts ripped out of their communities by cops and politicians.

    the miner’s strike, at least, in an era when economists are looking to revive the coal industry, when the damage done to the social capital of pit communities is widely regretted, and when the thuggish police tactics seen in those times are now universally deprecated, was undeniably legalised state violence at the command of those at the top of the conservative party (many of whom still hold shadow cabinet positions)

    for those too young to remember, the tories also brought in the Poll Tax; if you were, for example a labourer, you paid the same amount of tax as a multi-billionaire (the actual same amounti.e. the same number of £s regardless of your income). the very rich got richer while everybody else struggled to feed themselves. it brought this country closer to civil war than any time in the last 450 years. if you’re thinking of voting tory, think about that.

    if this all sounds far-fetched for a recent britain, look on the internet, or in history books… these are some of the reasons why labour won a total landslide victory in the genral election 10 years ago

    i was talking to me mam before and she says she’ll tell me everything tomorrow about what the parties are doing before i go and vote …

    ill report back tomorrow :mkay:

    yeah i only know a tiny bit of what thatcher/major (predominantly thatcher) did, and it beats me how some people think that thatcher was one of the best things that happened to this country! many tories round here think that…

    altho tbh i think the majority think she destroyed this country…

    Digital-A wrote:
    i was talking to me mam before and she says she’ll tell me everything tomorrow about what the parties are doing before i go and vote …

    ill report back tomorrow :mkay:

    just make sure it ain’t tories! :groucho:

    haha just messin, each to their own innit :weee:

    (lib dems…)

    me mams going lib dems so haha theyll prob get my vote … i dunno anymore all i know is tomorrow is tescos shopping day meaning ICE CREAM DAY! soo ben and jerry gets my vote!

    its gotta be cookie dough flavour for me :groucho:

    Digital-A wrote:
    i was talking to me mam before and she says she’ll tell me everything tomorrow about what the parties are doing before i go and vote …

    ill report back tomorrow :mkay:

    mate

    it’s local elections, not national, so it’s all about our area. i would recommend speaking to each of the candidates in person… are there 3 things that you would like to see change in your area? ask them what they think about each of these. don’t let them know what your view is, just ask them what they think about 3 things

    consider this… you have the right to vote in free elections.. something that people in man countries could face imprisonment or death for asking for… don’t ‘do what your mam says’ on this occasion.. form your own view:wink:

    to be honest i dont completely understand the distinction between local and national elections….

    i thought national elections were voting for your constituency anyway? so aren’t you still voting for which party you want in power in your local area in the national elections too?

    and do local elections effect anything nationally i.e. number of seats in the commons or owt?

    globalloon wrote:
    don’t ‘do what your mam says’ on this occasion.. form your own view:wink:

    haha i just realised how you all now no im a mummys boy haha … nevermind yeah ill see when i get the G, as i said, ill report back tomorrow, im off to bed night all 🙂

    and no boothy, phish food all the way 🙂

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