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  • gotta admit i’ve never tried it! i aint had ben n jerrys for about 3 years, but i’ll probs buy some tomoro now i’ve talked about it :weee:

    boothy wrote:
    to be honest i dont completely understand the distinction between local and national elections….

    i thought national elections were voting for your constituency anyway? so aren’t you still voting for which party you want in power in your local area in the national elections too?

    and do local elections effect anything nationally i.e. number of seats in the commons or owt?

    the current round of elections determine who runs your county council

    they (roughly) set your council tax and how it is spent… on stuff like transport and refuse, but they also run services like health, social services, youth services, education, they decide on stuff like town planning, housing etc

    it has no impact on who runs the country except that when local elections go against the party that run the country they get paniky and try and win back voters in the national elections

    general (national) elections are to elect local representatives (MPs) for central government, who decide on stuff like what becomes national law, who to start a war with, what system of taxation the country has, and set priorites for local councils (eg. reduce anti-social behaviour), that they have to try and achieve, regardless of what party has local power.

    the paradox in my area is that we have a mostly lib-dem local government and have had for many years. they always been very efficient, financially. when labour set up current funding from central to local governments, they took money away from areas that aren’t labour and gave it to areas that are… robbing the people who live there for voting against them. so… local people criticise local government for wasting their tax money, when in reality it is being taken to spend in places that have inefficient labour councils. they do this to keep votes in traditional labour areas

    it’s not unusual for people to vote for different parties in national and local elections. i vote for one party in the general election (that’s the national one) for one set of reasons (usually to keep the tories out) and locally I vote for the individual that i think is most committed, connected and passionate about local issues

    it’s complex 😉

    ah right i geddit… kinda :crazy:

    surely there is a law against labour takin money away from non-labour local governments… thats like a form of bribery innit? :you_crazy

    boothy wrote:
    ah right i geddit… kinda :crazy:

    surely there is a law against labour takin money away from non-labour local governments… thats like a form of bribery innit? :you_crazy

    it’s not so much taking away, as not giving in the first place. and it’s masked in political priority speak. all governments do it. there was a huge inquiry into central vs local government funding that reported early last year. it basically said “yeh, but no, but yeh” :you_crazy

    was vikki pollard runnin the inquiry? :weee:

    sounds like summat that needs to be changed, but it doesn’t suprise me tbh:hopeless:

    globalloon wrote:
    no apologies needed… but i would recommend looking into what the tories did last time they were in power before you give them your support….

    and meanwhile dont forget what labour have done to us more recently as well…

    Ill NEVER vote labour now. 3 words….

    ILLEGAL
    WAR
    IRAQ

    hmmm “never” isn’t what i would say because labour could reform completely, like go back to left-wing old labour, then i’d vote them…

    but in their current state, fuck ’em, and fuck the tories…

    Tekhan wrote:
    and meanwhile dont forget what labour have done to us more recently as well…

    Ill NEVER vote labour now. 3 words….

    ILLEGAL
    WAR
    IRAQ

    which the tories also voted through parliament :hopeless:

    Its annoying, im not 18 until the 20th of may, so i just miss out on voting. Otherwise i’d vote Lib Dems for the FPTP seat and a smaller party for the PR seat. (in Wales you have 2 different seats to vote for in the assembly)

    boothy wrote:
    it’s difficult to teach politics in compulsory education as teachers have to be completely impartial, from the BNP to the Communist party. it doesn’t sound hard but certainly some of the political discussions we’ve had in our backward-Tory opinionated school (the kids/parents, not teachers), some of the things naive kids can come out with can be very difficult to be impartial to…

    Haha, my politics teachers impartial?? After one kid in my class said (as a joke to provoke a reaction i might add) “Thatcher is my hero” to my teacher he said, “If you think that you can get out right now!!” And the other teacher routinely insults the tories and the right wing press (he reads the telegraph because he wants to “know his enemy”).
    Thats the cool thing about my politics teachers, they arent impartial at all. Its depressing that the people who dont learn politics know nothing, one asked me today wha left wing and right wing meant.

    Its also depressing the amount of people who are gonna waste their vote, they dont realise how important politics is.
    To be honest though, if i didnt do politics AND economics for A level, i wouldnt have a fuckin clue. evem politics on its own isnt enough, many people in my class know a lot about politics, but because they dont do econ, they cant grasp some of the most important aspects of it as easily.

    boothy wrote:
    to be honest i dont completely understand the distinction between local and national elections….

    i thought national elections were voting for your constituency anyway? so aren’t you still voting for which party you want in power in your local area in the national elections too?

    and do local elections effect anything nationally i.e. number of seats in the commons or owt?

    There is a difference because local elections are more concerned with how money is spent in your local area (its a bit different in scotland with the parliament though), and in general you’ll get a bit more of a proportional represtentation because more parties get a chance at representation. I think its a good mix, a strong govt in westminster voted using FPTP, then more proportional local govt.

    boothy wrote:
    hmmm “never” isn’t what i would say because labour could reform completely, like go back to left-wing old labour, then i’d vote them..

    Thing is, i have accepted now that socialism doesnt really work, i have to be honest, and Thatchers free-market economics doesnt work either, i think you do need the free markets, with regulation, i.e what we have now. I just think that some areas need to be more closely regulated and some public services need to be improved. Voting for “old” Labour would be a step back IMO.

    I am depressed at the amount of my friends want to vote Tory. Even though i was born in 1989, so ive missed them really, I still cannot stand them. When they elected Thatcher as leader in 79, they lost any chance of EVER getting my vote(no matter what their policy i hate them on principle), the day i vote Tory is the day i die. I hate Blair, but not enough not to vote Labour when hes gone. But Thatcher is a fuckin whore.

    Out of interest, those of you who live in Scotland, is the strength of the SNP an exaggeration on the part of the media, or is there a large support for them and independence now?

    Oh yea and i depise Cameron as well, probably more than Blair. Hes a cunt.

    Kensaken wrote:

    Haha, my politics teachers impartial?? After one kid in my class said (as a joke to provoke a reaction i might add) “Thatcher is my hero” to my teacher he said, “If you think that you can get out right now!!” And the other teacher routinely insults the tories and the right wing press (he reads the telegraph because he wants to “know his enemy”).
    Thats the cool thing about my politics teachers, they arent impartial at all. Its depressing that the people who dont learn politics know nothing, one asked me today wha left wing and right wing meant.

    oh yeah many teachers aren’t impartial, in fact my history teacher did a speach on thatcher and why she was so shit, then at the end kinda went “but um… everyone has their own opinion so it’s upto you…” after he’d spend a couple hours explainin why the tories are so shit.

    well i voted two crosses in the lib dem boxs the libs ive decided are the best even if they havent got enuf power,

    i voted the torys, in my area they have done a lot since being in power here (plus the guy whos running used to be the barman in my local) but decided in a national vote they would not get it mine …

    night p.v 🙂 xx

    Digital-A wrote:
    i voted the torys, in my area they have done a lot since being in power here (plus the guy whos running used to be the barman in my local) but decided in a national vote they would not get it mine …

    night p.v 🙂 xx

    bizzare choice if you like going to free parties, but hey :yakk:

    pretty much my entire family, other than me and my little bro, voted mostly lib dems :weee:

    and glo is right, it is a well odd choice DA, but if they did alright for your area, then that’s fair enough. just as long as you don’t vote ’em in the nationals!!! 😉

    :weee:

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