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@DaftFader 406714 wrote:
This was just down the road to me and yes it was a LEGAL event.
I didn’t go cos I knew the type of people who would go – I think it was in a part of haighnault forrest or epping forrest – they used to be the same forrest till it got chopped up by loads of roads/buildings.)
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I remember reading about the violence that crowd were involved in when I was young Josh’s age – and the people what got nicked were a few years older than me
might not be surprising they can’t get a license for shit these days, especially calling it “summer of love”, even the councils and old bill will just laugh in their faces 😉
there was another one close by at another time called “one love” (i think this was the one in the forrest actualy) or som,ething … this was a regge fest tho so not sure about any trouble there … was thinking about going .. but again decided not to just encase anything did kick off (as i’m not even that much into regge when going out, just a few mates wanted to go)
squatting has been in the media alot recently and hardly any of it is positive..
just like drugs of recent … blatent crack down!
just watched it. made me want to go back to the parties. lets hope an pray its not the end
Few familiar faces.. Along with the negative press the party and squat scenes have got recently, there has been a fair bit of more supportive coverage from the more liberal media, especially with the supposed recent rise of parties and protests due to the recession etc (although they are likely used as an example of showing support for resisting political problems rather than support of the party scene itself). Hopefully its just a fad that will pass over before too much attention and negative propaganda encourages more people to call that ‘action must be taken’ about an issue they know little about, as is often the way with these kinds of issues. I doubt the party scene will go away, it’s been illegal for a while, making it ‘more illegal’ probably won’t deter a lot of people. Renewing squatting laws will also take time and be very complicated, as this is some of the oldest standing law in the country and touches on difficult issues such a human rights
Exactly the same happened two decades ago with the first rise in free parties.
Criminalising squatting for genuine housing purposes might well be slightly more problematic but bear in mind squatting is already illegal in Scotland which is more left-wing than other parts of the UK, and other EU nations are clamping down on squats. Also cops know the difference between geniune homeless people (they and other authorities keep records of them) and middle class kids breaking into a building to hold a party.
I doubt it will stop the party scene totally but action will be taken to stop larger more obvious/blatant events and/orquasi commercial events bypassing licensing laws. its also a lot easier with todays surveilance and worse, peoples loose talk online for feds to work out if someone might be laundering their benefits money through drug sales – particularly litres of ketamine (just ask the PCT for details of how many folk are presenting with severe genitourinary problems in the 16-40 age group when (other than STIs) these are otherwise uncommon 😉 ). The NHS won’t of course hand over individuals details but they do exchange the numbers of those seeking treatment – and from this its easy to work out how much of a ketamine problem each area has. Ditto with drugs-related mental health issues.
I suspect many of the people who continue to do small scale free parties will be those what have normal jobs and a bit of spare time/cash and aren’t blatantly selling boatloads of drugs to fund them, just like what it was really like in the so-called “good days”.
one elephant in the room which wasn’t present in the 90s and Noughties though is that easy but well paid jobs in IT/offices are gone overseas and never coming back….. and people work longer hours and have less spare time and cash.
Maybe in future people who are lucky enough to get hold of a disused building without it being evicted/locked off (perhaps for a peppercorn rent) will find its too valuable a resource to risk on just one weekends’ party and might ultimately do something more positive/long term with it (like the old style social centre)
I reckon there’s a good chance squatting laws will be changed for the worse 2bh. It would be very popular in the mainstream press for a start. Just depends how hard it is technically perhaps. Or it will all just blow over and be totally fine. Depends if scum type people do any more dumb partys in the middle of London and then talk to the press really.
this is controversial however,
i for one would like to adopt the french stance on parties and liase with govenment on allowing a number of “teknivals” per year, and adopt a policy wich states under 500people and no noise complaints and your fine! obviously this is a waterd down statement, but you get jeist!
i understand this option has issues! i spose the biggest for me would be liasing side of things as really it kinda goes against what i set out to do! but to be honest i think the pros out weigh the cons!
i do believe a time will have to come when serious conversations need to happen between the government and orginisers as this is not going to go away, bu t i do think were a long way off that!
@Minghead 407044 wrote:
this is controversial however,
i for one would like to adopt the french stance on parties and liase with govenment on allowing a number of “teknivals” per year, and adopt a policy wich states under 500people and no noise complaints and your fine! obviously this is a waterd down statement, but you get jeist!
for the smaller events the system is basically identical to our TENS system (including the 500 limit) but with slightly less bureaucracy in some areas. however a French friend of mine said that each préfecture (local authority area) can interpret the rules autonomously.
So some allow raves to happen, some totally ban them from their region, and others still ask for paperwork.
I think it also does mean individual people can be held accountable for the parties and can be prosecuted in Court if there isn’t sufficient clear up or there are health and safety issues.
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