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The prof used some scripts to check all the photo websites for public geotagged images of cats and added them to Google maps.
He does show folk who are worried about their own and/or their pets privacy how to stop the photos coming up by changing the privacy settings, although it does appear the location tag is held for up to 30 days. The website cannot distinguish between people photographing their own cats, or random ones they see in the street and some data especially in Europe has considerable position errors most likely caused by different GPS coordinate storage formats.
it therefore doesn’t cause that much privacy risk to humans or cats; but shows up many issues with the use of smartphone geolocation (including its lack of accuracy) and there is some interesting “big data” split showing the distribution between countries and continents.
it is not intended to be an accurate proportional survey of the number of pet or other small cats in each country (in comparison to one a pet food company or the Environment Ministry might carry out) due to differing access to smartphones and attitudes to privacy per country.
I think it also only stores info for 1 million cats worldwide and devotes most of its resources to people who are OK with their cats location being online – otherwise the prof (who has been doing this since 2014) would likely have crashed his uni’s server, Google (which is likely being fed the same data twice) and half the American Internet :laugh_at:
I always turn off my geolocation on my phone (if I am not using an “old fashioned” camera) and meow at the cats I photograph so they know they are being watched :laugh_at:
Yeah I have geolocation off on my phone, plus it runs a VPN. That’s quite a lot of data/cat pics he’s amassed.
I think different coordinate systems should all relate to the same location, could be some problem reading them though.
40 degrees 30 minutes 7 seconds north
40 degrees 30.117 minutes north
40.502 degrees north
All represent the same latitude.
but if you were reading for just decimals as in the last example then the other two would be off by a big margin if it read as 40.3 instead of 40.5.
We have the ridiculous state plane coordinate system in America that is a different set for EACH state and weirdly shaped states have multiple coordinates.
Funny fact, the half of the globe below the equator is 4 degrees shorter than the half above.
Most likely problem is different cell devices using different Datum’s or representation of the shape of the earth, you have to convert between them when using different data sets.
@Shakyamuni 985108 wrote:
I think different coordinate systems should all relate to the same location, could be some problem reading them though.
40 degrees 30 minutes 7 seconds north
40 degrees 30.117 minutes north
40.502 degrees north
All represent the same latitude.but if you were reading for just decimals as in the last example then the other two would be off by a big margin if it read as 40.3 instead of 40.5.
We have the ridiculous state plane coordinate system in America that is a different set for EACH state and weirdly shaped states have multiple coordinates.
Funny fact, the half of the globe below the equator is 4 degrees shorter than the half above.
4 degrees is a lot. The Earth bulges at the furthest point from the axis along which it spins due to centrifugal force but what causes this difference between the hemispheres I wonder.
@tryptameanie 985114 wrote:
4 degrees is a lot. The Earth bulges at the furthest point from the axis along which it spins due to centrifugal force but what causes this difference between the hemispheres I wonder.
The earth is a spheroid not a perfect sphere, the equator is the widest point and roughly where it spins around not accounting for percession and wobble. 4 degrees would be a lot if we weren’t dealing with a naturally made object, earth isn’t perfectly shaped, we could move the equator up 2 degree’s and both halves would be equal but then the equator wouldn’t be at the widest point. It’s kinda just like you had a perfect sphere and then mushed one side so now it is more or less a sphere but not of perfect dimensions.
The bottom half is 95% as big as the top half which is a decently accurate construction when you think about how the planet was formed.
@Shakyamuni 985118 wrote:
The earth is a spheroid not a perfect sphere, the equator is the widest point and roughly where it spins around not accounting for percession and wobble. 4 degrees would be a lot if we weren’t dealing with a naturally made object, earth isn’t perfectly shaped, we could move the equator up 2 degree’s and both halves would be equal but then the equator wouldn’t be at the widest point. It’s kinda just like you had a perfect sphere and then mushed one side so now it is more or less a sphere but not of perfect dimensions.
The bottom half is 95% as big as the top half which is a decently accurate construction when you think about how the planet was formed.
You seem to be totally neglecting how it was made, gravitational forces. The body has compressit itself into the most compact thing it can. It bulges because of centrifugal force caused by the spin of the Earth.
@tryptameanie 985120 wrote:
You seem to be totally neglecting how it was made, gravitational forces. The body has compressit itself into the most compact thing it can. It bulges because of centrifugal force caused by the spin of the Earth.
I know how the earth was made, I just don’t think it is abnormal for it to be an imperfect sphere.
No but the imperfection comes from the spin. 4 degrees missing from a hemisphere would seem to take some process.
Probably because the earth wobbles around the north pole axis. I have no idea tbh.
Could potentially be die to it’s axis being tilted but IDK.
@Shakyamuni 985110 wrote:
Most likely problem is different cell devices using different Datum’s or representation of the shape of the earth, you have to convert between them when using different data sets.
I ran into this problem myself recently whilst trying to use a freeware GIS app from some German developers to plot the estimated and actual range of a small radio transmitter. To satisfy the requirements of my countries Communications Ministry (Ofcom UK) as well as global good practice of avoiding harmful interference to other users I do need to keep some kinds of reasonably accurate records of where such equipment is being used.
Ofcom and other UK public service organisations (as you might expect) use the British Ordnance Survey grid.
This useful projection splits up the UK into convenient squares of 1km that can be further subdivided into 100m or 10m areas, with the added advantage that distances between two grid references can thus be worked out using basic arithmetic. For a small country like the UK any position error from “flattening the earth” is less of an issue – it does seem to be accounted for in the projection itself although the maths involved is more than I would want to be dealing with, thankfully most handheld GPS units and mobile phone apps will do it accurately.
The OS to be fair do explain all the datums they use and the conversion but it gets more complicated as there now appears to be more than one depending what sort of maps you are getting from them, the required accuracies and distances being measured (which is fair enough now we have access to GPS/GLONASS/Gallileo navigation satellites).
The freeware app uses Openstreetmap overlays and has some setting where you are supposedly able to use UK grid references, which apparently is embedded in the openstreetmap overlay.
Alas, whatever numbers are in there are wrong (and I lack the maths skills to correct them) as using this GIS my waypoints are all shifted about 100m from where they should be – I double checked the grid references with two devices running different apps, a “dead tree format” Ordnance survey map I bought in 2006 which is now completely obsolete due to many buillding developments, and another mapping software I got for tracking cycle routes (which does have licensed OS map data but with some limitations compared to a fully fledged GIS).
Similar position errors (but of a greater magnitude) appear on the cat tracker site (which also uses an odd mashup of Openstreetmap data on a Google map) across Northern Europe although this might be the US prof deliberately using Google Maps (who can afford the extra traffic) to avoid crashing OSM with waypoint data of 1 000 000 cats – and pet cats often roam as far as 1km from their homes increasing the margin of error :laugh_at:
ARCGIS has an online platform and seems to do a decent job of converting datums even when it isn’t abundantly clear what you’re supposed to be converting to or from. All the Datum’s are a little different but if you’re using GPS you have to have the right one. It is probably possible to see the error from the expected location and the actual location and replot them manually although that is kind of shoddy science. If you look in the metadata it usually has a more expanded description of what datum is being used.
That’s stupid tbh. Other than magnetic variation due to the poles drifting and needing to be teken into account when reading maps, there should be NO AMBIGUITY AT ALL when it comes to maps/location.
modern GPS systems use the WGS84 datum – unfortunately for those of us in Britain, the Pentagon/NATO decided to shift the meridian from the reference point that Ordnance Survey still use for the grid system. Apparently this also happens with other countries national mapping systems but I am only familiar with the OS grid having been taught to use this in high school long before kids could afford such things as GPS receivers…
The WGS 84 meridian of zero longitude is the IERS Reference Meridian,[3] 5.31 arc seconds or 102.5 metres (336.3 ft) east of the Greenwich meridian at the
latitude of the Royal Observatory.[4][5]
Which explains the 100m position error but unless there is some way of this GIS software translating the lat/long from WGS84 to OSGB36 (I haven’t found it yet) means that I can’t use the grid references (which are far easier to work with if you are only dealing with waypoints a few tens of kilometres apart) directly from the GIS app (which is somewhat annoying; at least a subscription to the full OS mapping service is affordable these days)
BTW these are the links I found a while back (one is to convert the data)
Convert co-ordinates between WGS84 and OSGB36
And full 43 page PDF from OS about how co-ordinate systems work and why there are different ones in use in Britain – I still haven’t had the time to read and understand it to the point of being able to correctly configure the GIS app yet…
https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/docs/support/guide-coordinate-systems-great-britain.pdf
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