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      Have been watching the UK weather forecast and it look horrible.

      Are you guys okay?

      Is it not bad in Denmark too?


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        Have been but not as bad as it seems to be in UK

        So many people have got their homes ruined 🙁

        Yeah its looking bleak there at the moment. France too.

        This time round it is the SE and SW of the country which got the worst weather rather than the East. I live in a bit which is higher up than other parts of East Anglia so is not at great risk from flooding, although there is a big tidal river that burst its banks a few months ago. that did flood out the underground ducts where the telephone cables go and stopped the broadband at the community radio station, water got in at a load of spliced cables and this causes noise to interfere with the broadband.

        My old family house in SE England (where my mum still lives) is also higher up and some distance away from the River Thames. Although I feel sorry for the less affluent people in the SW, in SE England many of the people now flooded were those who voted for governments that ignored advice from the Environment Ministry that this could happen, and started a war that diverted the money from the Environment Ministry, complain about any sort of taxes or public sector spending and now mean we do not even have enough military personnel in the UK to help out with the floods nor the scientists and engineers required, even though there have been 3 or 4 similar incidents in the UK in the last 8 years.

        A few years ago I cycled through one area which got flooded recently, and not only is is clearly near the River Thames with a fucking great reservoir nearby, in the posh village there was a great big sign from the Environment Agency which clearly explained (for those who have cash but few brain cells) “This place is very near the river. In some weather conditions your house may flood, so be prepared for it at all times”

        Weather in North Europe goes round in a circle centred around the UK (which is why we get a lot of weather), but everywhere else gets the same. Other nations in the area bordering the North Sea have far stricter rules about either not building homes next to rivers (these areas seem to usually get used for business units, sports/leisure centres and are often designed so a flood causes minimal damage) and they still have active docks and ports. I’ve noticed this when looking at Google maps to find where legal music events are hosted, they all tend to be in these areas…

        There also seems to be at least in NL and DE, though I would be surprised if the same didn’t exist in DK and NO some kind of group which is like the reserve military but without the war / marching bit.

        It is staffed by people who normally work for local businesses but in emergencies will assist with clean up and such things as getting at least basic electric services and light running, communications, and ensuring that vulnerable people have food and shelter, and the local council arranges some compensation to the business owners so that these people can give their time to help out. In the UK this would be viewed as “stealth taxes” or “socialism” or “German” and there are too many middle class people here who would actually rather drown than accept any of these things.

        Yeah I haven’t heard of any problems in the Netherlands nor would you expect any because theyre so well prepared even for a country so much of which is below sea level.

        The French have been hit quite badly thpugh but seem a lot more matter of fact about in the media at least. I watch channel 4 news and French JT2 everyday and the contrast is stark. I’ve seen no complaints about useless politicans and things just seem to get done.

        I recorded these last night when it was really rough (and some other stuff that would not be ethical to upload as it mentions individual vessels thought thankfully everyone worked together to ensure there was no major danger)

        [soundcloud]https://soundcloud.com/general-lighting/sets/uk-coastal-weather-warnings-on[/soundcloud]

        coincidentally I’ve somehow ended up with one of Biotech’s tracks or mixes in the background (and he lives even nearer the coast!)


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          It’s horrible, what’s going on in this stupid world

          I was really impressed by how the crew of the ships and the Coastguard dealt with everything (I’d never heard of a full container ship dragging anchor before this). I think the Captain had decided to drop anchor as the wind was so strong she would only be blown back to NL (where she had came from) but there was another big container ship nearby which had to take different course or there could have been a collision!

          Also the pilots (small boats) were off station (suspended) and many position marker buoys out of position or adrift.

          The next day I heard a Russian(?) chap say “BRIDGE, BRIDGE EMERGENCY” on his ship but thankfully that was only a drill (he mentioned that later and I didn’t hear PAN PAN warning). He was able to easily talk to Ports Operation and Coastguard and the Captain in English, but instruct the rest of his crew in their own language. He did say in English “Captain, you go close with liferaft – I make explanation later”.

          In modern times captains do not have to go down with their ship, this is more a film cliché (it did occasionallly happen but only when the captain had invested a lot of his personal wealth in the vessel so if it sank he was bankrupt, (and even if he survived would find it extremely hard to get employment) in which case suicide was an understandable decision). Todays vessels have very good third party insurance.

          Definitely not dead, but mby not as much of a “new” thing so people aren’t so drawn to it as they once were?

          I grew up with the start of it the 1990s raves were a new thing but not necessarily better than anything today. There was good music and fun events but also a lot of bad shit happened – overdoses, gang involvement, sexual assaults of young women, police raids and a lot of people became estranged from their families and non drug taking friends and/or suffered mental health issues due to drugs. Events do still happen but it is a lot harder to put on an modern event without a license especially in areas that were heavily targeted in the 1990s.

          The real reason why early 1990s videos look “better” are technical ones; portable video equipment of that era was bulky and heavy compared to today, people at raves were suspicious of it as the Police also used it (and a camera operator would have to be careful themselves the were not searched and had their tapes seized for evidence). those who made videos of raves tended to be people who were both media and tech aware, and paid attention to such things as lighting, focus etc (you needed a lot of light to get a good picture, because the computer chip inside the camera was not as advanced as what you find today).

          the brightest parts of the event would be chosen for a final edit from a longer tape of the whole rave (or you would only haver a black screen with some flashing lights). Soundtracks were often recorded separately to the footage and “wild” (not synchronised) or a separate long shot of a DJ playing (filmed with a fixed camera) was recorded, and footage of dancers, lights “cut over” this leaving the soundtrack of the DJ.

          As the DJ’s sets were usually around the same BPM, a skilled editor could do this in such a way that it looked like the whole lot was sychronised. Even then, until the late 1990s doing this involved a lot of fiddly work with a complex arrangement of equipment that took a long time. (Video was then recorded on various kinds of cassette tapes, all with different formats and often the picture resolution was less than a cheap mobile phone camera, but the analogue electronics meant it did not look “blocky”). Although by the mid 90s you could do this with domestic video cassette recorders, it involved very quick work with about 3 remote controls at once.

          Those who had access to such kit and knew how to work it were either serious AV enthusiasts electronics/broadcast engineers, working for “yoof TV” productions or at University studying media/film making.

          Today we have lots of online video sites, and equipment to convert an analogue video signal from a tape into the digital computer data which once cost £800 is now £35. So these same people now in their 40s are putting these videos online, but when you convert them it also shows up the limitations of the analogue video format – for a variety of reasons the picture can be misaligned, blurred and noisy or the colours washed out or too strong, and then looks rough on modern HD TV monitor even if it looked decent on your 1990s equipment

          However the capture equipment usually comes with free or low cost software that has settings for “enhance video/denoise”. These use very clever maths to process each frame of the picture and take away all the bad stuff and rebalance the colours, often with a bias to the “warm” colours and often also combine the two fields of an analogue video picture into one frame. This makes the end result looks brighter and sharper, almost like the 16mm movie film that was used in the 1980s by lower budget film makers. Even younger people who may never have encountered smaller format analogue movie film notice this difference.

          90% of recent rave videos are from some youth using a mobile phone set on full automatic mode who has taken so much ket that s/he can barely stand upright and see straight, and even those who do have a decent HD camera do not realise the settings can be altered for different shooting conditions, and often just copy the whole raw footage to youtube without editing it (This also means the feds can use it as evidence because they can match up the timecodes and other markers, some cameras even embed a unique serial number into the file).

          I am not sure why, as they could do the same things as in the 1990s but a lot quicker and easier and make their videos look much better and more secure…

          Maybe the question should have been is rave dead in your area?

          @Louisa_P 561242 wrote:

          Or at least dying? I’ve read many articles and forums, and it seems that many of the people involved with the scene in the 90’s believe that it is dead. I’m not sure about any of you guys, but personally I missed the 90’s era of rave due to being born in 1989. There are still parties that happen down here, maybe 1 to 2, every month or every other month which I try to attend. The vibes are pretty good, but then again, I have nothing to compare it to. Were the 90’s raves really that much better? From all the videos I’ve watched of early 90’s raves, it does seem like that time was really the golden era of the scene. What are your thoughts on this? Does a scene in your area exist?

          I used to feel the same about the sixties and feel really envious. Then I realized part of the reason it was so good at the time is because it was new, and people ebraced it. So now instead, I pay attention to current culture and as a result Ive found some of my favourite bands (bands I actually prefer to sixties stuff believe it or not)

          Scenes dont ‘die’ they just shift and move in different directions.
          After a while people at acid house parties started bringing in new genres like hardcore, techno and jungle. Then people decided to follow those genres instead and thus things changed.

          It just so happens that because acid house music was so innovative and different that it was such an exciting time. Much like the jazz era and when the Beatles came about.

          Theres no shortage of raves (in most places anyway) big cities like lindon hve a good 10 illegal ones every saturday andcountlesslegal ones. Also try going to different raves – there are so many types. Have you been to a psytrance party or a techno one?

          @Izbeckistan 561441 wrote:

          I used to feel the same about the sixties and feel really envious. Then I realized part of the reason it was so good at the time is because it was new, and people ebraced it.

          older friends (some have sadly passed away now) who did grow up in that era have discussed in depth the truth about those days, they were no better than the rave scene or todays music scene, in Europe mostly confined to the white middle class with steady jobs in places like the PTT (post and telecom services) and there was a big dark side to them (the fallout is what ultimately led to Reagan/Thatcho and the increasing divisions in society)

          No there not dead at all. In fact I think it’s getting bigger by far, at least it is in Detroit the birthplace of techno. It is re branded though and not quite the same as in the 90’s. In the 90’s a rave in Detroit was breaking into the Packard plant with 1-2,000 other people and raving to plastic man all night. Now we have the Detroit Movement festival that’s a 3 day event that pulls 1-200,000 people. Obviously nothing stays exactly the same for 10 years but “raves” which are called festivals nowadays are growing like crazy!!! Not even close to dying out!

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