Every shop seems to have this daft “challenge 21/25” which makes it impossible to get booze unless you have photo ID (and I lost mine a few weeks ago). Thankfully the real ale pubs seem to have a more pragmatic view (though these days I tend to drink with people older than me, some of whom know the parents of the bar staff which makes a difference :wink:)
but isn’t this a bit pointless and unfair? basically the supermarkets have taken matters into their own hand to increase the legal drinking age to 21-25 , without any real debate or consultation :rant: – I can’t even get a beer out of most of them as I seem to have stayed (appearance wise) as about 21-23 years old. I wouldn’t complain otherwise but for this daft rule..
Most young drinkers I’ve encountered are friendly if boisterous, those what do cause trouble would do so if sober and its more due to personality disorders than alcohol or other substances…
and yet teenagers still get drink (often purchased for them by tolerant parents) and even the old bill (in Suffolk, I can’t speak for London or other city areas) are saying that there is less of a problem with serious alcohol-related violence committed by teens, its the older people who are the worst for it from their mid 20s to their 60s!
Isn’t it about time society started “assuming good faith” in young people again? I’m not saying anti-social behaviour should go unchallenged but its rarer than people think. Most of the drunk kids here seem to be emos and hipsters (this being the latest fashion) and the worst they do is jaywalking (I’ve scattered a few whilst riding back home, I do slow down for them though)
@General Lighting 400015 wrote:
Isn’t it about time society started “assuming good faith” in young people again? I’m not saying anti-social behaviour should go unchallenged but its rarer than people think. Most of the drunk kids here seem to be emos and hipsters (this being the latest fashion) and the worst they do is jaywalking (I’ve scattered a few whilst riding back home, I do slow down for them though)
there was a bit on the news about this recently. the percieved threat from anti social behaviour is much higher than the actual level of stuff being reported and dealt with
cant find the article tho..
I havent noticed drunk teenagers to be any more or less of a problem than drunk adults.
As a 12-18 year old there was fuck all to do except for go to the cinema and we had to go to another town to do that.. of course we took every opportunity to get drunk. Usually required a mates parents going away and us raiding the wine cabinet. Never caused anyone any harm and it’s a good age to learn that drinking too much makes you ill.
I think the point here is that there are no bad drugs only bad people. Some people are little shits and they’d be little shits if they were sober, and quite possibly more likely to smash up a bus stop because they extra bored.
I don’t think it’s the attitude of drunk teenagers so much, maybe more about their personal safety? But I guess that’s a problem whatever age you are.
I agree with Iacchus, it’s all about the person.
@harr!et 400026 wrote:
I don’t think it’s the attitude of drunk teenagers so much, maybe more about their personal safety? But I guess that’s a problem whatever age you are.
I think its much more of a issue for older people. Unless a teenager is really suffering from serious mental health issues or has been sucked into gang activity they are relatively well behaved, tend to enjoy life more even than those in their 20s and 30s and want to stay in one piece and out of jail. I’ve seen people as young as their mid 20s go through full scale breakdowns and mid life crises already.
other than drink driving, the biggest risk to society is from older youths and grown adults who had stable lifestyles but it all goes to shit for some reason (even if its a relatively minor setback in life) and they “drink to cope” and then lash out at people.
hmm thinking about it.. why are you only allowed alcohol after 18? what makes it less dangerous to adults? :S although i understand that there is a problem with 6 year old walking around, swigging from a bottle of whiskey.
for many years children were encouraged to drink “small beer” (which only had 1-3% alcohol) as it was safer (less germs) than the public water supplies, and young lads from age 12-18 were encouraged to drink bitter at around 2-3% alcohol – I’m sure I’ve read stuff about how a master was supposed to provide beer for apprentices…
Girls and women were encouraged to brew good ale – and not discouraged from drinking it either! The concept that it is “unladylike to drink pints” was from the 1970s and is now becoming outdated (its better for you than cheap wine or alcopops..)
oh the good old days when water was safer than beer. that was like, 400 years ago though 😐
i think that 18 is a silly limit. alot of the under 16s i know are much more mature than many adults.
@harr!et 400066 wrote:
oh the good old days when water was safer than beer. that was like, 400 years ago though 😐
for London only 178 years ago.. (this cartoon is from 1832. The dude dressed as King Neptune with a gazunder for a crown was the director of what is now Thames Water)
i certainly know we werent / arent / whatever..
dangerous.
always placid creatures. the only fights i have ever got into was with drunk adults in their mid 20s who are angry by nature and drink to cope etc…
and yes i have ‘drunk in the park with my hood up’ but thats because i like to be outside… and it was cold. simple as. could be in the pub. could be in my conservatory. but we like to be outside :love:
the moral panic is nothing new, what is worrying though is how much effort is put into real enforcement of it. Whats really fucked up is that if I were to buy Harriet or Josh a drink I could end up being arrested, and fined or worse being accused of “endangering children” on the whim of a stranger deciding to call the authorities :you_crazy – whilst it was once perfectly legal for an adult to buy a younger teenager a drink provided he or she looked out for them…
if you look at licensing hearings even a lot of pubs are being forced to implement challenge 21 even though the legal drinking age remains 18 years….
gotta be in the loop you know 😉
TG told me a stort at Shambala about someone who worked on a til for years and got caught by the mystery shopper. Dunno what the fine is but it’s steep.
Drinking beer to avoid Cholera… yum yum, smoke some Opium down with it.
I turned 18 about 6 months ago and since then ive had more problems when drinking then the whole of my younger teen years drinking. When i was younger i just got wankered with my mates went into town got a kebab and went to bed. We did do abit of stupid shit, i remember a mate doing a shit on a bowls green but it was many harmless.
Now i go out to clubs and half of the fucking city is looking to kick the living shit out of you. I went out last friday only to get punched in the face and get “started on” 3 different times, all by people who where sterioded up gym monkeys who were atleast twice the size of me . If you ask me there the problem, ive never really had a problem with teenagers drinking aslong as they show abit of resecpt.
@joshd96320 400118 wrote:
gotta be in the loop you know 😉
pubs aren’t so bad as unless there’s a license condition no offence is being committed as the old laws still apply. Whats happened with shops these days is as a condition of employment the responsibility is passed from the shop to the individual member of staff to check age, making them liable to both criminal and civil penalties.
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