injecting avoids the stomach but still goes through the bladder as that’s how it gets out of the body. i know IM users still get cramps. it might still go through the stomach as well not 100%.. but yeah i think the fact you inject will put less through the stomach/bladder but as gl said it could cause a lot worse problems.
@Pike Tom Us 436478 wrote:
i actually know the girl who did jemermy kyle.. was she a twin? my mumwas watching JK one day and when i saw her in the evening she said “Oh, i taped an episode of JK i think you should watch.. we should sit down and watch it together” You should have seen the look on my face when we watched it and i had to explain to her that we are friends and have hung around together alot. Shes doing really well now though.. moved up to scotland to be with family and is having her bladder rebuilt. completly off the ket.
my bladder is OK-ish. Since ive been using more the past couple of weeks ive noticed theres a slight burn when i pass urine. no blood or anything but m pretty sure its on its way at some point :/ which im terrified about oz theres no other pain like it. which is kind of why im choosing to IV as i understand it passes the bladder/kidneys/liver when IV’d. Smaller doses are needed to get a high and your not putting half a g to a g all in one go down your throat, into your stomach and then into the bladder. correct me if im wrong tho..
Yes same girl, seems to have started off on the party scene – so good to hear she’s clean and rebuilding her life :love:
and like others have said – I’m pretty sure whether snort / I/V / I/M – all stuff that goes in – it doesnt matter how it got there it (I think) still comes out the same way as waste – as it would have any other way you choose to use – liver / kidneys / bladder / bowel
I personally guessing you got some issues your masking by substance use and I do hope there comes a day where you believe you are worth it, and able to sort it before it is too late for your mental and physical health, as it doesnt seem from your posts – its recreational use – it seems to have moved to another level of habitual / addictive use, whether you manage the odd day off here and there, wishing you the safest possible way on whatever journey you decide to take :group_hug:group_hug
@ pike tom us
keep on trying and throw away any mobiles or phonebooks which have ket ‘friends’ in them; stay away from those people and get better – it is the faster way to get clean and will mean you can concentrate on the important thing which is getting off this shit
a true friend will want the best for you and will not try to get you to do ket
stick at it mate – you can do it
I’ve thought about what the effects of injecting ket must be like, doubt i’d ever try it. even though i does sound incredable compared to other methods.
I have been an IM ketamine user for a little more than a year now after sniffing it for about 5 years and i can honestly say the health problems are much worse from snorting it than IMing it i’m not recommending it to anyone but from someone who has had stomach problems and chronic bladder pains to the point of having to go to the walk in centre to get some sort of temporay relief in the past 12 months i have felt healthier than i have in 5 years of snorting, this is mainly due to decreased usage cutting down from pretty much every day to 2 maybe 3 days a week and cutting the quantity down from as much as a QL on a saturday night to maybe 2/3 g IM at very most normally less, the flipside of the health problems is my muscles in my buttocks and thigh are now a lot more flacid and weak than they used to be sometimes when injecting i find bits of ‘dead’ muscle where it literally won’t absorb and k and i have to go lower down this does normally recover in time though, my bladder is still pretty bad i get up frequently to urinate in the night and don’t seem to be able to properly finish my piss and often feel the need to go to the toilet for a long time before i can actually go but i’m hoping its nothing permanent. I did wake up the other morning with terrible stomach cramps but they were gone by midday i was worried though because in the past they’ve lasted for days at a time. I don’t IV it and have only done so a couple of times mainly because 1) It is much harder finding a vein than a muscle and 2) I find the effect too instantaneous and wasteful you just go under so you don’t properly get to experience the drug itself. Its a hard addiction though and i have now noticed apart from the psychological addiction to ketamine i now also have a psychological addiction to injecting as well craving that in itself, i think part of why its so hard is because its such a strong anti-depressant but at the same time it gives you something to blame for why things are going wrong in your life and why you act in certain ways, unfortunatley all the drug services round here really don’t know very much at all about ketamine and the health problems associated with it neither do the doctors, e.g. i know far more than they do from years of researching it on the internet and having many k-head friends, before you know it though you are pretty much the worst one and feel trapped with no way out, its all pretty deep stuff i’m personally hoping that one day soon i will have a moment of clarity before its too late for my health and for me to have some sort of regular routine.
Good luck with all your problems as well dude, i know what your going through
@happyacid 438820 wrote:
I have been an IM ketamine user for a little more than a year now after sniffing it for about 5 years and i can honestly say the health problems are much worse from snorting it than IMing it i’m not recommending it to anyone but from someone who has had stomach problems and chronic bladder pains to the point of having to go to the walk in centre to get some sort of temporay relief in the past 12 months i have felt healthier than i have in 5 years of snorting, this is mainly due to decreased usage cutting down from pretty much every day to 2 maybe 3 days a week and cutting the quantity down from as much as a QL on a saturday night to maybe 2/3 g IM at very most normally less, the flipside of the health problems is my muscles in my buttocks and thigh are now a lot more flacid and weak than they used to be sometimes when injecting i find bits of ‘dead’ muscle where it literally won’t absorb and k and i have to go lower down this does normally recover in time though, my bladder is still pretty bad i get up frequently to urinate in the night and don’t seem to be able to properly finish my piss and often feel the need to go to the toilet for a long time before i can actually go but i’m hoping its nothing permanent. I did wake up the other morning with terrible stomach cramps but they were gone by midday i was worried though because in the past they’ve lasted for days at a time. I don’t IV it and have only done so a couple of times mainly because 1) It is much harder finding a vein than a muscle and 2) I find the effect too instantaneous and wasteful you just go under so you don’t properly get to experience the drug itself. Its a hard addiction though and i have now noticed apart from the psychological addiction to ketamine i now also have a psychological addiction to injecting as well craving that in itself, i think part of why its so hard is because its such a strong anti-depressant but at the same time it gives you something to blame for why things are going wrong in your life and why you act in certain ways, unfortunatley all the drug services round here really don’t know very much at all about ketamine and the health problems associated with it neither do the doctors, e.g. i know far more than they do from years of researching it on the internet and having many k-head friends, before you know it though you are pretty much the worst one and feel trapped with no way out, its all pretty deep stuff i’m personally hoping that one day soon i will have a moment of clarity before its too late for my health and for me to have some sort of regular routine.
Good luck with all your problems as well dude, i know what your going through
how much are you injecting on a weekly basis?
between 5 and 10 grams a week normally, sometimes more, all depends on money really don’t it
this is less than i was doing last year though when it would be up to 15 grams a week that was rough i nearly went over the edge a few times and thats fucking difficult with ketamine
So it could just be down to a decreased dosage that you’re getting less health effects when Injecting?
@process 435248 wrote:
not gonna give you advice on how to inject properly even if i knew how, the only good advice you will get is to stop
I know you’re trying to be helpful with this attitude of thinking and that you think you are doing the right thing but actually you’re not. It’s essential to teach IV users proper technique because poor technique will do more damage than the drug in the short term and can cause death. I’m not flaming or trying to be a dick to you, I’m just trying to pass the right message on.
Now to the OP, Bristol Drugs Project this is as good a guide as any. You’re using safe needles and a clean technique. Just don’t share needles and don’t ignore any signs of phlebitis, the symptoms of this are redness, pain, swelling, or heat around the injection site. If this happens change site IMMEDIATELY and go see your doctor. If you abuse sites your veins will dilate and collapse, this can lead to necrosis and amputation (the ending of Requiem for a Dream is not that far fetched in the slightest).
But as other people have mentioned it is important for you to seek help in kicking your habit. In the mean time be safe.
Look to why things haven’t been going so well recently and I’m pretty sure you’ll see K as a major reason. Reduce, get back to recreational use if you can. If you can’t then kick it all together. And if you love the squat scene and don’t want to leave it then get out of being ‘that guy in the corner of the squat shooting up’ and try and become ‘that guy in the squat who has really driven it as a community who everyone looks to when they need good experienced advice’. It’s possible. You know it is.
Edit: One more thing, always remove your tourniquet BEFORE you remove the needle. And apply pressure to the injection site once the needle is removed preferably with sterile gauze, if none available then clean cotton wool pads should be a good alternative.
For those of you who have injected k before, is it the psychedelic side of it that is greatly intensefied or what is it that makes the experience so superior to snorting? over the years i have read about it and am curious.
@Spax88 439024 wrote:
I know you’re trying to be helpful with this attitude of thinking and that you think you are doing the right thing but actually you’re not. It’s essential to teach IV users proper technique because poor technique will do more damage than the drug in the short term and can cause death. I’m not flaming or trying to be a dick to you, I’m just trying to pass the right message on.
Now to the OP, Bristol Drugs Project this is as good a guide as any. You’re using safe needles and a clean technique. Just don’t share needles and don’t ignore any signs of phlebitis, the symptoms of this are redness, pain, swelling, or heat around the injection site. If this happens change site IMMEDIATELY and go see your doctor. If you abuse sites your veins will dilate and collapse, this can lead to necrosis and amputation (the ending of Requiem for a Dream is not that far fetched in the slightest).
But as other people have mentioned it is important for you to seek help in kicking your habit. In the mean time be safe.
Look to why things haven’t been going so well recently and I’m pretty sure you’ll see K as a major reason. Reduce, get back to recreational use if you can. If you can’t then kick it all together. And if you love the squat scene and don’t want to leave it then get out of being ‘that guy in the corner of the squat shooting up’ and try and become ‘that guy in the squat who has really driven it as a community who everyone looks to when they need good experienced advice’. It’s possible. You know it is.
Edit: One more thing, always remove your tourniquet BEFORE you remove the needle. And apply pressure to the injection site once the needle is removed preferably with sterile gauze, if none available then clean cotton wool pads should be a good alternative.
🙂 good advice. ive always kept my needle use a very personal thing, or just with one or 2 people. i definatly would never boot up ket (or anything) i a communal space of a squat. but as far as ketamine goes, its everywhere on the squat scene in Brighton.
in the past couple of weeks ive only used needles twice.. the most recent time a few days ago. had some really good advice from a drug worker on how to find veins in places other than my hands, like the forarm where the veins are thicker. he said that sometimes rather than actually seeing the vein, it can be more about feeling for a vein. so after that advice i thought id have a go and i hit first time.. where as normally id be digging around and going to several different sites before being able to hit.
@JamZandwich 439088 wrote:
For those of you who have injected k before, is it the psychedelic side of it that is greatly intensefied or what is it that makes the experience so superior to snorting? over the years i have read about it and am curious.
for me its definatly the rush. it hits you instantly through IV.. the feeling is hard to explain. but its a clean, minty smelling (sounds weird) high. but as has been said… you go straight into it and cant really remember much after that. theres been many times where ive forgot ive just had a hit and searching for the needle, convinced i couldnt get a hit and stashed it for a hit when im less fucked. ive tried IM a few times but i dont get the same bang of a rush.. maybe its the tolerance, im not sure. i guess a fat line and and an IM dose might work tho..
@Spax88 439024 wrote:
I know you’re trying to be helpful with this attitude of thinking and that you think you are doing the right thing but actually you’re not. It’s essential to teach IV users proper technique because poor technique will do more damage than the drug in the short term and can cause death. I’m not flaming or trying to be a dick to you, I’m just trying to pass the right message on.
Process is a friend of mine and he used to live in the same area as me. To be fair not only does he not inject at all (in fact last I heard from him he’s quit most drugs and gone on some hippy health trip :laugh_at: ) if he did he would feel guilty about it because lots of folk down our way have gone down that road 😥
@Pike Tom Us 439257 wrote:
for me its definatly the rush. it hits you instantly through IV.. the feeling is hard to explain. but its a clean, minty smelling (sounds weird) high. but as has been said… you go straight into it and cant really remember much after that. theres been many times where ive forgot ive just had a hit and searching for the needle, convinced i couldnt get a hit and stashed it for a hit when im less fucked. ive tried IM a few times but i dont get the same bang of a rush.. maybe its the tolerance, im not sure. i guess a fat line and and an IM dose might work tho..
Do you K-hole or just blank out for a while?
I stopped being able to K-hole/K-trip after the first 6months of snorting, and over time it began to get less and less trippy, i’ve read it’s got summat to do with NMDA receptors in your brain.. I’d be interested to see if injecting it was more powerfull in the psychedelic sense but i aint going down that road so..
yea, jut blank out for a while. like you im i rarely k hole.. if ever. its just a feeling of wobblyness and double vision
double vision always used to piss me off – as I would take a lot of party pics and I’d end up with half of them NG due to not being able to see for shit..
I’ve never really liked K on its own, when I did it would always combine it with a stimulant…
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