@extraslim 434731 wrote:
even if they don’t screen I will need to explain why I haven’t had a job in 4 years or whatever it is. Its scary, the more I think about it in detail the more it seems like I have no future. Cant seem to think of any solution other than just getting lucky. Its all deeply worrying.
this is true but you don’t need to tell them you are on benefits, just unemployed (you could have been living on savings or not even in the UK at the time)
There are actually a lot of young people in the same situation (some who have never had a constant job since leaving high school!) who have actually got nothing wrong with them, they just don’t want to work and parents and dole are still supporting them so if you are actually offered an interview it would mean that the employers are at least willing to take a chance. If you genuinely want to work you might have more chance of sympathy than another 20 something who has been perfectly healthy but a slacker.
There do seem to still be jobs for janitors, mailroom and warehouse staff etc and they don’t check as much on background other than not wanting someone what might be a thief or an activist trying to infiltrate and sabotage the business. bear in mind every medium size business needs these staff..
@General Lighting 434733 wrote:
this is true but you don’t need to tell them you are on benefits, just unemployed (you could have been living on savings or not even in the UK at the time)
There are actually a lot of young people in the same situation (some who have never had a constant job since leaving high school!) who have actually got nothing wrong with them, they just don’t want to work and parents and dole are still supporting them so if you are actually offered an interview it would mean that the employers are at least willing to take a chance. If you genuinely want to work you might have more chance of sympathy than another 20 something who has been perfectly healthy but a slacker.
There do seem to still be jobs for janitors, mailroom and warehouse staff etc and they don’t check as much on background other than not wanting someone what might be a thief or an activist trying to infiltrate and sabotage the business. bear in mind every medium size business needs these staff..
Hopefully something along the lines you suggest will be possible. If I keep applying to stuff and don’t give up then perhaps that will make the difference between success and failure. Cant think of any other strategies.
@extraslim 434731 wrote:
even if they don’t screen I will need to explain why I haven’t had a job in 4 years or whatever it is. Its scary, the more I think about it in detail the more it seems like I have no future. Cant seem to think of any solution other than just getting lucky. Its all deeply worrying.
Most of the big changes that happen in life are a result of ‘getting lucky’ and being in the right place at the right time – meeting a partner, making friends, getting a good job. These things are rarely planned and usually impossible to predict. So I think the trick is to maximise your exposure to opportunities and stack the odds in your favour: send out loads of applications, visit companies, talk to as many people as you can. Statistically, if you do enough of this you will ‘get lucky’ (have you ever noticed that the people who seem naturally ‘lucky’ are usually the annoyingly confident, chatty ones who everyone likes?). I realise that this is all easier said than done though when you’re suffering from depression and probably lacking motivation to do much, but try putting yourself out there a bit.
Btw, what job do you want to do?
@cheeseweasel 434741 wrote:
Btw, what job do you want to do?
Anything that’s not with the general public and has a future in it. Although at moment anything quite frankly.
Hi all ,
To anybody that is looking for a job right now , good luck and i do honnestly wish you the best at getting a job you want . Its a shit time and i hope thing will improve soon …lets hope . 🙂
regards
Mungo
@extraslim 434924 wrote:
Anything that’s not with the general public and has a future in it. Although at moment anything quite frankly.
actually it does seem like jobs like janitors, handymen, rentaguards, mailroom staff are more secure than office jobs these days, when you think about it every building needs these staff to keep the place secure and in good condition even if they are laying off managers…
Hi General Lighting ,
Except if your in the MOD enviroment in which case , front line units such as carriers ( navy ) and air craft ( Harriers , oh typhoons and tornado’s ) and lets not forget the new Nimrod …..cost a fuck load to build which they did…..had to finish the last two even though the contract was cancelled . Oh and then pay a shed load to scrap them !!!! , you ever think you tax payed has been wasted ?
Now maybe you dont give a dam about the UK armed forces but maybe if you think of combat aircraft after the battle of France and then the start of Battle of Britian ….we have less combat aircraft now then what we did then . Okay now if you look at the uk and the Armed forces as a pure Defence arm , we are an Island so sea and air is where any first attack will come ? We are fucked !!!! .
Now back to what General Lighting said , well maybe local government etc ,but when it comes to the armed forces the only loses are operation on the ground units such as Regiments , squadrons and ships ………you see any high ranking wankers loose their jobs yet ? Even though compared to the US Marines ….which is bigger than our armed forces put together we are way top heavy . No as normal its the normal people who get shafted and the high up over paid wankers get pay rises and keep their jobs off the backs of normal people that actually do a job . Makes me angry !!!
one day this will all change …..and i wanna be there 🙂
regards
Mungo
its worrying that we are being drawn into the American conflicts for oil without any proper backup – and even the frontline cops and some surveillance operations are being scaled back which will make it harder to look out for terrorists, and not all of these threats are Muslim either, there are many other home grown threats, ironically because people are angrier with having no job…
@mungo1972 435068 wrote:
Hi General Lighting ,
Now back to what General Lighting said , well maybe local government etc ,but when it comes to the armed forces the only loses are operation on the ground units such as Regiments , squadrons and ships ………you see any high ranking wankers loose their jobs yet ? Even though compared to the US Marines ….which is bigger than our armed forces put together we are way top heavy . No as normal its the normal people who get shafted and the high up over paid wankers get pay rises and keep their jobs off the backs of normal people that actually do a job . Makes me angry !!!
They already did this in the civillian private sector, the worst part of it is the senior management will sell out their own workers by making them compete with outsourced workers. And it is not the foreigners fault, it is British managers who were once workers themselves what do this. I’ve seen it happen as people go up the ranks and I am not surprised the same happens in HM Forces.
About 8 miles away from me is a big British Telecom research lab – which is about 70% empty these days. there are lots of people my age who spent 4 years in uni, were promised a secure job, and are now out on their ears because Indians can do the work for 30% of the costs.
Then when the project is over the Indians are dumped, which is why they keep trying to nick peoples credit card number and steal data from call centres and put spam on our forum. No one wins in the end – not even the senior managers because most of them have kids and then their kids (now in their 20s to 40s) can’t get jobs because of how they’ve fucked up our country…
Hi General Lighting ,
Yes your right but when you say no one wins in the end …..i think your wrong when the richest in the uk saw increases from 5 % upwards in there money . yet the average person see’s their money go less further and prices go up . Seems to me we are heading back to Vicortian times where the rich were rich and the poor were low payed survants !!!! .Our nationaql health system is getting raped …..how many council old people homes are there ? not many . Everything is getting cut back and yet MP’s Lords etc continue to make money ……one day …..this will change 🙂
regards
Mungo
it is changing but it won’t be pretty. its not PC to say this but rich people bleed like anyone else, which is why I say they can’t win in the end..
already the rich can’t totally enjoy their wealth – their personal safety isn’t assured and they have to spend loads on close protection, alarms and are constantly dodging surveillance from the media…consider when you read the crime news how many celebs from working class backgrounds (footballers/celebs) get done over when they start showing off too much.. celebs are getting stalked and getting bombs and stuff sent to their houses – if inequalities get worse, so will folk fighting back in this manner
Even when there was hanging the lord of the manor couldn’t have freedom of the whole area, and whole estates/farms were torched by pissed off workers in Suffolk (this was in the 1800s…)
Hi general lighting ,
Whats the answer i wish i knew , it just seems that things are going backwards . They say History has a way of repeating itself so what future is install for us mate ? I see nothing good in the way things are going , i just hope im wrong !!!! . If not i will see you in the work house general Lighting ( work house / retirement and old peoples home ) …..work and meet ya quota or dont get fed !!!
regards
Mungo
ps its a dark view on whats happening but thats how i see things going !!!!
Although the Victorian times were shit in many ways, many of the rich didn’t flash their wealth about as much like todays “bling” culture as often their religious or philosophical views went against it but also they knew they would get violently robbed. Others actually invested their money in positive things like improving working conditions (a culture of philanthropy).
A lot of the original socialist and progressive thinkers weren’t exactly poor – many came from good families, others were hard working business people (like the Rochdale pioneers). Also lot of clever and well off people invented stuff like trains, sewers, and brought electric to places… there was a culture of working for the public good.
Today, many of the rich folk of London are keep very quiet and live in virtual exile, some of the foreigners they would often be killed outright in their own countries just out of envy, just like the British Asian bloke was in Pakistan. Even here their safety isn’t assured, their enemies could pay a crackhead a couple of grand to murder them. Why do you think some areas of London have rentaguards and gated access? In fact if you read the metpol crime site this happens relatively often but is masked by all the other murders what happen in London..
Even then I don’t think overall conditions in the UK can slip that far beyond a certain level due to Europe’s influences, even the Tories don’t want to look like muppets in front of Germany, Denmark, Netherlands etc which are all going through the same financial problems, and there is a consensus over things like having acess to free healthcare and reasonable infrastructure. there is also still the option to (re)nationalise industries, even if the free market types bleat like hell.
But I do think stuff like freedom of expression and “spare time for fun” will take a slide in the next few years – it however won’t be worse than what folk in a lot of other countries are experiencing already, and will be survivable.
Hi General Lighting ,
Nice words and it makes me feel a bit better and yes compared to alot of countries we are soo much better off . This i know as i have seen some countries in turmoil in my past , just hope that such things never happen to this country . I guess your right a certain standard of living will always be up held but its this countries/ Governments lust for greed that worries me .
I was talking to my contract manager the other day and although each year there has been a profit made they want more etc . Now my point was there can only be made so much profit until you reach a point were there can be made no more profit in a contract . To keep expecting huge profits year in year out is pure greed , just to make a profit is surely good ? but then im not a businessman !!
However as you say we will survive ….that is what we do 🙂
regards
Mungo
@mungo1972 435081 wrote:
I was talking to my contract manager the other day and although each year there has been a profit made they want more etc . Now my point was there can only be made so much profit until you reach a point were there can be made no more profit in a contract . To keep expecting huge profits year in year out is pure greed , just to make a profit is surely good ? but then im not a businessman !!
one problem is the global economy is built on continuous growth (this also eats away at reserves of resources) – only growing companies or those delivering constant profits get investment (to create jobs, buy new stuff etc). Things like inflation erode away at profit reserves. What needs to happen is for the global economy to transition to accepting “just enough” growth to keep things doing. this isn’t the same as communism or socialism – there would be still private businesses but the emphasis would be on creating value through real things rather than bumping up share value (a bit like how the co-op works).
the even bigger problem is loads of people livelihoods depend at present on continuous growth so its not easy to just change everything..
Hi general Lighting ,
So yes it’s all about greed and short term gain not any long term vision which a government…..i say government should have . Seems Governments and parties are all about winning votes and not for the benefit of the country as a whole . Was a time when governments cared about its people and looked after them and not saw them as a tool for their own goals !!!! .
Global economy is flawed …..as continuous growth is unrealistic ……natural and man made inciddents can and do as we know effect this . So lets be realistic and forget the hype of business men talking shite , and maybe if we all worked together and worked for better life for all than this world could be a better place …….but this will never happen as greed is a bigger pull than morales !!!
regards
Mungo
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