JSA/Hardship fund and how to live on benefits indefinately?

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June 17, 2009 at 8:51 am

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Please those who have a (negative) moral emotional reaction to the subject matter don’t bother replying. I don’t want to get into my ethics here.

I have been living happily on government benefits for almost a year now claiming JSA and housing benefit.

I have to have another interview soon which I believe is my third ‘restart’ interview. I have had a suspicion for a while in the back of my mind that one day they will want me to go into ‘compulsory’ schemes to begin encouraging me more sternly back to work. Others say this either never comes or the schemes are a breeze anyhow. I still haven’t received or found any definitive information regarding this. What are other’s experience on this who have been on JSA for a year or more? Is there any increasing pressure to get you back to work or can I continue this cycle indefinitely without them escalating (at least significantly) in their pressure for me finding a job?

I can almost live on housing benefit alone as I live very frugally, but it’s mainly that I have to claim JSA to keep being entitled to HB as they need to see the viable source of my low income.

I have also been reading up on the hardship provision and have heard several homeless looking fellows (not judging just saying) asking for it in the past in my local Job Seekers office. I have only read the same rhetoric online about who is entitled to this- those unwilling or unable to work for whatever reason, but no literature on how it is paid. As I can (almost) live of HB alone then claiming hardship fund may be an alternative to JSA should my circumstances change. My main query is how is it paid and do I have to go in and sign up periodically as with the JSA or is it just transfered straight into my account? Presumably I won’t have to do the actively seeking work farce with hardship provision as that is not one of the criteria for hardship fund. So anyone who has info on this also please give me a heads up.

Thanks.
June 17, 2009 at 9:34 am

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p0ly

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they might send you on the new deal course, but they are supposed to send you on it after 3 months if you say yes, or 6 months compulsory so i am not sure. maybe it is abit different for you or different in your area
June 17, 2009 at 10:02 am

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General Lighting

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NoXS;334404 wrote:

Please those who have a (negative) moral emotional reaction to the subject matter don’t bother replying.

the risk isn’t from people what disagree with this replying, its if people discuss their “cunning plans” only to find someone lurking here is emailing the lot to DWP investigation unit, and then all the loopholes get closed..

Any random could do this, they wouldn’t have to register and the mods/admins here wouldn’t be able to tell if they are using their home internet account and not any obvious “authorities” connection..

Same as discussing unlicensed parties or illegal drugs, “think before you type” applies here..
June 17, 2009 at 12:45 pm

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PhilKmorgan

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@NoXS 334404 wrote:

Please those who have a (negative) moral emotional reaction to the subject matter don’t bother replying. I don’t want to get into my ethics here.

NEVER NEVER EVER EVER apologise to anyone for being on benefits….There are few things more intrinsiclly completely full of shit than societies all purpose rhetoric….:bounce_g:
June 17, 2009 at 12:58 pm

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Dom_sufc

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@PhilKmorgan 334443 wrote:

@NoXS 334404 wrote:

Please those who have a (negative) moral emotional reaction to the subject matter don’t bother replying. I don’t want to get into my ethics here.

NEVER NEVER EVER EVER apologise to anyone for being on benefits….There are few things more intrinsiclly completely full of shit than societies all purpose rhetoric….:bounce_g:

No you shouldn’t have to apologise, but I am intrigued as to why a person would prefer to live on benefits than have a job. I am unemployed at the minute, but I would do anything for a half decent job right now. I am being picky and trying to avoid Maccys type jobs again though, so I suppose I should grin and bear it i suppose…

I don’t think you can post on a forum though and specifically ask for only one type of reply.

I am not looking down my nose at all, I am genuinely interested.
June 17, 2009 at 1:11 pm

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ellie

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PhilKmorgan;334443 wrote:

NEVER NEVER EVER EVER apologise to anyone for being on benefits….There are few things more intrinsiclly completely full of shit than societies all purpose rhetoric….:bounce_g:

Never apologise for being on benefits through no choice of your own… choosing to take benefits when you could get a job is a different matter. I never really get pissed off about this issue… but i have to admit the tone of the first post proper pissed me off.
June 17, 2009 at 1:16 pm

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process

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ellie;334446 wrote:

Never apologise for being on benefits through no choice of your own… choosing to take benefits when you could get a job is a different matter.

+1.
June 17, 2009 at 1:37 pm

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i find it easier to go on incapacity benefit. it is hard to prove mental illness. anxiety,stress seem to work well. problems with sleeping, anger problems,depression and coming off drugs done the trick. try it you might get signed off for a year.
June 17, 2009 at 1:44 pm

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ellie

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raverdude;334454 wrote:

i find it easier to go on incapacity benefit. it is hard to prove mental illness. anxiety,stress seem to work well. problems with sleeping, anger problems,depression and coming off drugs done the trick. try it you might get signed off for a year.

:noway:
June 17, 2009 at 1:45 pm

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PhilKmorgan

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I can see lots of sides to this.

It really guiles me to see the unemployed being attacked by so-called up-standing self-righteous working class arseholes…

We have seen recently in the press all the billionz of quid poured into failing companieeez and then paid out in big fat bonuses when these people have really failed. At the other end of the spectrum, the unemployed munter has to liv on pittance, jump through hoops to even get dis and then take aload of shit ta boot.
June 17, 2009 at 1:50 pm

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ellie

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PhilKmorgan;334459 wrote:

I can see lots of sides to this.

It really guiles me to see the unemployed being attacked by so-called up-standing self-righteous working class arseholes…

We have seen recently in the press all the billionz of quid poured into failing companieeez and then paid out in big fat bonuses when these people have really failed. At the other end of the spectrum, the unemployed munter has to liv on pittance, jump through hoops to even get dis and then take aload of shit ta boot.

All i can do is repeat my point…

Never apologise for being on benefits through no choice of your own… choosing to take benefits when you could get a job is a different matter.

If someone can’t get a job but is trying then i’m happy for my taxes to help them out. If someone chooses not to work, and not to take benefits, then good for them. But if someone chooses not to work but takes benefits I have no respect for them. You can’t have it both ways. Your not 10 getting pocket money any more. Your an adult and should take responsibility for your life. What if everyone chose to have that attitude – we’d be screwed.
June 17, 2009 at 1:51 pm

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joshd96320

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@ellie 334460 wrote:

All i can do is repeat my point…

Never apologise for being on benefits through no choice of your own… choosing to take benefits when you could get a job is a different matter.

If someone can’t get a job but is trying then i’m happy for my taxes to help them out. If someone chooses not to work, and not to take benefits, then good for them. But if someone chooses not to work but takes benefits I have no respect for them. You can’t have it both ways. Your not 10 getting pocket money any more. Your an adult and should take responsibility for your life. What if everyone chose to have that attitude – we’d be screwed.

raaaraaaraaa
June 17, 2009 at 1:56 pm

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process

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ellie;334460 wrote:

If someone can’t get a job but is trying then i’m happy for my taxes to help them out. If someone chooses not to work, and not to take benefits, then good for them. But if someone chooses not to work but takes benefits I have no respect for them. You can’t have it both ways. Your not 10 getting pocket money any more. Your an adult and should take responsibility for your life. What if everyone chose to have that attitude – we’d be screwed.

+10000000000000000000000 :bounce_flash:
June 17, 2009 at 2:15 pm

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PhilKmorgan

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@ellie 334460 wrote:

All i can do is repeat my point…

Never apologise for being on benefits through no choice of your own… choosing to take benefits when you could get a job is a different matter.

If someone can’t get a job but is trying then i’m happy for my taxes to help them out. If someone chooses not to work, and not to take benefits, then good for them. But if someone chooses not to work but takes benefits I have no respect for them. You can’t have it both ways. Your not 10 getting pocket money any more. Your an adult and should take responsibility for your life. What if everyone chose to have that attitude – we’d be screwed.

What exactly do you think gives you any right to pass judgement on any other human being based on their lifestyle choices ?

Your point about taxes is at best a weak one, mis-informed and at worst completely bigoted. We all pay taxes (e.g. cigarettes, alchohol, VAT). Do you even have any figures what amount of your (income) taxes goes on benefits as opposed to other things (I will put money on it that you cannot quote even one single credible statistic here). So what gives you the right to judge based on ignorance?
June 17, 2009 at 2:16 pm

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what gives you the right to tell her shes not entitled to her opinion?
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