JSA/Hardship fund and how to live on benefits indefinately?

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June 17, 2009 at 2:20 pm

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process

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why would people want to live solely off benefits? ive done it and it was shit.
June 17, 2009 at 2:22 pm

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ellie

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PhilKmorgan;334465 wrote:

What exactly do you think gives you any right to pass judgement on any other human being based on their lifestyle choices ?

Your point about taxes is at best a weak one, mis-informed and at worst completely bigoted. We all pay taxes (e.g. cigarettes, alchohol, VAT). Do you even have any figures what amount of your (income) taxes goes on benefits as opposed to other things (I will put money on it that you cannot quote even one single credible statistic here). So what gives you the right to judge based on ignorance?

Your point is weaker. As a member of society you agree to pay taxes. I agree to give money to the NHS to heal people whatever their income, and I agree to give money to the unemployed when they are struggling to find work.

Job seekers allowance is job seekers allowance, not can’t be arsed to get a job allowance.
June 17, 2009 at 2:25 pm

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PhilKmorgan

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@ellie 334469 wrote:

Your point is weaker. As a member of society you agree to pay taxes. I agree to give money to the NHS to heal people whatever their income, and I agree to give money to the unemployed when they are struggling to find work.

Job seekers allowance is job seekers allowance, not can’t be arsed to get a job allowance.

This is an example of ‘societies all purpose rhetoric’. As I previously said, there are few things more completely full of shit (I am educated to PhD).
June 17, 2009 at 2:28 pm

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joshd96320

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educated to phd in titheadedness?
June 17, 2009 at 2:29 pm

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PhilKmorgan;334470 wrote:

(I am educated to PhD).

You can still buy PhD’s online? :p
June 17, 2009 at 2:33 pm

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ellie

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PhilKmorgan;334470 wrote:

This is an example of ‘societies all purpose rhetoric’. As I previously said, there are few things more completely full of shit (I am educated to PhD).

so you mean my taxes on education are also wasted? (that is a joke!)

btw…i didnt mention above… i dont care if my fag, booze or work taxes are spent on his jobseekers – it still pisses me off
June 17, 2009 at 2:34 pm

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process

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why would people want/choose to live solely off benefits? ive done it and it was shit, boring and after a while i felt like my brain was rotting. Saying that though that is exactly how i feel at my current job, :hopeless: but at least it pays slightly better.
June 17, 2009 at 2:41 pm

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@djprocess 334478 wrote:

why would people want/choose to live solely off benefits? ive done it and it was shit, boring and after a while i felt like my brain was rotting. Saying that though that is exactly how i feel at my current job, :hopeless: but at least it pays slightly better.

The question of why is a theoretical one related to the costs and benefits of working.

The benefit of the work is clearly what income one gets from it, but then there is the time cost (what else you could be doing with your time). If you say that you can get about 100 quid pw on benefits and about 200 quid pw on minimum wage, then really thats an extra 100 quid for an extra 40 hours a week plus you have to pay taxes (2.5 per hour).

Maybe there are people out there who do not want be in a dead-end hampster wheel job being screwed for someone elses benefit.

Other than that, look at the hippies in the 60s, maybe the roots of the free party scence…
June 17, 2009 at 2:44 pm

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PhilKmorgan;334481 wrote:

The question of why is a theoretical one related to the costs and benefits of working.

The benefit of the work is clearly what income one gets from it, but then there is the time cost (what else you could be doing with your time). If you say that you can get about 100 quid pw on benefits and about 200 quid pw on minimum wage, then really thats an extra 100 quid for an extra 40 hours a week plus you have to pay taxes (2.5 per hour).

Maybe there are people out there who do not want be in a dead-end hampster wheel job being screwed for someone elses benefit.

Other than that, look at the hippies in the 60s, maybe the roots of the free party scence…

But you dont have to work on minimum wage (people can chose to educate themselves/find a better job) and that is rather a selfish viewpoint is it not? tis certainly a complex argument, interestin though
June 17, 2009 at 2:47 pm

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just a thought – in the same way people are wary about giving out details of free parties or how to get illegal or “semi-legal” drugs, how do we know whether the OP is legit or not?

first post, without a word of introduction, asking how to do a controversial if not potentially illegal activity…

a thread like this on a high profile public forum would be a perfect way for an ambitious Civil Servant to gather intelligence on “potential benefit fraud methods associated with the unlicensed rave scene / illegal drugs culture”….
June 17, 2009 at 2:50 pm

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ellie

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ellie;334460 wrote:

What if everyone chose to have that attitude?

Phil, please answer the above question.
June 17, 2009 at 2:51 pm

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General Lighting;334487 wrote:

just a thought – in the same way people are wary about giving out details of free parties or how to get illegal or “semi-legal” drugs, how do we know whether the OP is legit or not?

first post, without a word of introduction, asking how to do a controversial if not potentially illegal activity…

a thread like this on a high profile public forum would be a perfect way for an ambitious Civil Servant to gather intelligence on “potential benefit fraud methods associated with the unlicensed rave scene / illegal drugs culture”….

Surly there would be better ways to gather information than to spend large ammounts of time asking people on random forums who never give a strait awnser? Then again I do wounder…

When I had some bad paranoia sum time ago I thought it was quite possible that the whole of PV was just a data gathering site for the rozzers…weriod times! (I do not think this now im sain again it must be said lol)
June 17, 2009 at 2:55 pm

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PhilKmorgan

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@photographthesun 334483 wrote:

But you dont have to work on minimum wage (people can chose to educate themselves/find a better job) and that is rather a selfish viewpoint is it not? tis certainly a complex argument, interestin though

Individual rationality is the bread and butter of economics. One point of view (not really mine) is that it is only through people being individually rational that markets bring about socially optimal results. In other words, personal greed is good and you help society by helping yourself…..
June 17, 2009 at 2:55 pm

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General Lighting

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photographthesun;334490 wrote:

Surly there would be better ways to gather information than to spend large ammounts of time asking people on random forums who never give a strait awnser? Then again I do wounder…

we’ve had people try this before to get info on raves…

even if the OP is legit, as I said earlier all it would take is for one lurker to copy and paste all the posts of any methods discussed and send them up to the DWP ….

there are a fuckload of “cyber vigilantés” around these days. It always pays to be paranoid – not too paranoid – but guarded about what you discuss on line.

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When I had some bad paranoia sum time ago I thought it was quite possible that the whole of PV was just a data gathering site for the rozzers…weriod times! (I do not think this now im sain again it must be said lol)

places like Facebook are far better for this purpose as the admins there will instantly collaborate with law enforcement (without making a big noise about it like a more “right on” site would) to keep their commercial businesses running smoothly…

Even on friendly sites like this it still makes sense to be careful about what you post. “Free speech” always has a cost.
June 17, 2009 at 2:57 pm

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PhilKmorgan;334492 wrote:

Individual rationality is the bread and butter of economics. One point of view (not really mine) is that it is only through people being individually rational that markets bring about socially optimal results. In other words, personal greed is good and you help society by helping yourself…..

hmmm, I dont think that takes into accunt mass benefit theift though really does it..
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