easy now, ive been takin e since 1997, but stopped in 2002 for a whole year as i was doin myself a bit too much damage. i am well partial to shrooms an acid, but ive always been well skeptical of Ketamine. my initial reaction was “why would anyone want to anaethetise themselves? souinds stupid.” also, from running parties, seeing the people on K tweeting and rolling around on the floor (not to mention nearly suffocating themselves etc) didnt look that appealing. gimme some MDMA or shrooms and im on it, they are my ultimate party drugs.
i’ve done K a few times, tho usually just got given too much, k holed well quick and ended up waking up on a strange floor, feeling a bit stupid. i was pretty convinced it was shit, when my house mate last year got some out on a wet wednesday afternoon and we curled up, watched films and bit liccle, liccle bits of K. was well nice, and quite different to my previous four k experiences. i then realised that k def wasnt a party drug, but did have other uses…
anyway, so friday night some mates come over, we get 5 grams of MaDMAn and 3 of K. not interested in the K, so we bosh some mad, get all revved up and go on a big mission down the beach. we found an instrument each, and formed the “come as you are worthing musical allstars” but we were so charged up wandering, we played very little ( i had a bag of empty beer bottles that i filled in the sea at diff levels then blew in).
anyway,so today turns into tommorrow, its gettin late in the afternoon, were all on the cider in the attic, starting to break the mdma out again. most people have slept except two of us, and out comes the K. we convince ourselves we’re just gonna “try” it, just a tiny ammount. but we cane nearly the lot in the end and watched bill bailey (who im not entirely sure isnt a deity now…) till this morn at seven when i thought my heart was shutting down, so i had to make myself walk around the house to get my circlulation back (oh the mish!). the prob with k compared to other ting, is that its a dissaccociative, so if i feel sick on shrooms, i’ll know about it, but not on k, so im worried that i may do myself a mischeif while out of it.
the point is, that i am quite comfortable with drug use, but i am usually a one night out, sleep, recuperate, next night out, sleep, recuperate etc type of person, and i was doing mad and k for about thirty hours start to finish. i just wondered if there are any special worries or dangers i should be aware of?
i’ve done K a few times, tho usually just got given too much, k holed well quick and ended up waking up on a strange floor, feeling a bit stupid. i was pretty convinced it was shit, when my house mate last year got some out on a wet wednesday afternoon and we curled up, watched films and bit liccle, liccle bits of K. was well nice, and quite different to my previous four k experiences. i then realised that k def wasnt a party drug, but did have other uses…
anyway, so friday night some mates come over, we get 5 grams of MaDMAn and 3 of K. not interested in the K, so we bosh some mad, get all revved up and go on a big mission down the beach. we found an instrument each, and formed the “come as you are worthing musical allstars” but we were so charged up wandering, we played very little ( i had a bag of empty beer bottles that i filled in the sea at diff levels then blew in).
anyway,so today turns into tommorrow, its gettin late in the afternoon, were all on the cider in the attic, starting to break the mdma out again. most people have slept except two of us, and out comes the K. we convince ourselves we’re just gonna “try” it, just a tiny ammount. but we cane nearly the lot in the end and watched bill bailey (who im not entirely sure isnt a deity now…) till this morn at seven when i thought my heart was shutting down, so i had to make myself walk around the house to get my circlulation back (oh the mish!). the prob with k compared to other ting, is that its a dissaccociative, so if i feel sick on shrooms, i’ll know about it, but not on k, so im worried that i may do myself a mischeif while out of it.
the point is, that i am quite comfortable with drug use, but i am usually a one night out, sleep, recuperate, next night out, sleep, recuperate etc type of person, and i was doing mad and k for about thirty hours start to finish. i just wondered if there are any special worries or dangers i should be aware of?
for a normal young healthy person there are no lasting physical dangers if you get enough subsequent recovery time. However if you start worrying you are becoming ill or become guilty/paranoid about taking drugs that’s when you can end up actually feeling very unwell. The bulk of the problems the “singapore ketamine ninjas” suffered were due to their own feelings of guilt about their lifestyles as much as the amount of K they were taking.
There are many people who stay awake like this to get their normal work done to a time critical deadline- IT people and engineers, NHS staff, and those in the creative industries.
They may or may not use stimulants, legal or otherwise. These people often manage to complete their tasks and meet their targets and are well-regarded by their colleagues for putting in the effort (although many do not admit to the use of chemical stimulants.)
similar feats of endurance happen in sports, again with or without drugs.
The main issue is getting enough food and rest afterwards, otherwise you are at greater risk of succumbing to viruses such as upper respiratory tract infections and stomach upsets.
cheers, yep i was pretty sure it was all good, as i know lots of people who have done ridiculous bingesand comeout the other side fine. incidentally, we carried on on monday:
its weird, normally i just do the odd dab or few pills or tripsor whatever over one night, recover then staRT again weeks or months later, but this time i/ we just kept on goin for five days…not something i would normally do, but it felt deliciously self destuctive. ive always beens quite academic about my highs, trying to get the most out of the least, knowing where my limits are and trying to limit the damage on my body, but i just didnt give a fuck [except i did stop doing mdma from tuesday 2 am to 12 am when everyone else careried on, not much, but something:)]. luckily, i didnt do myself a mischeif, at least not that im aware of yet, and i had a fucking wicked time. right, back to the real world….
there is definitly something to be said for altering your conciousness that much, but an important aspect of the enjoyment is knowing where reality/ sobriety is. i’ve always thought of my highs as a graph, one that should always start and finish at the bottom. starting and finishing your trip in reality is what makes the trip worthwhile. as the dude says “if you dont forget, then the remembering wouldn’t be so sweet”. and that is the problem with binges / sustained use. you dont have the context of reality to put your experiences in, and that when you become detatched from reality and a danger to everyone.
happily, ive never been too far (in hours) from reality, but one of the blokes who got mashed with us was still on it the next weekend, having done the rest of the mad (7 g in all) and by the time he got back to ours, he was on a crack mission. crazy business.
the other thing about the graph analogy is that if you plot the highs off twop dabs on mdma, say, then the same ammount is nopt gonna get you as fucked the second time, the main effects will be less pronounced, while the side and minor effects will reveal themselves.that is just off two hits, but the pattern remains. iff you get fucked for three days, god knows what the drugs you are taking are actusally doing. its not exactly what you want it to be doin, thats foir sure. silly shit.
i for one wont be touching any chemicals for a good few months (maybe) :yakk:
I find that having work keeps you in check quite a bit and is in fact a good thing (it need not be normal corporate work either but something like helping a community project)
i’ve seen lots of people fuck up through binges – and IMO it affects us all in the end .
Sadly somewhere along the line he is either going to fuck himself up or worse still before that he is going to fuck someone else up (perhaps someone he once loved) through a violent act.
when my mates used to be able to listen on scanners we’d hear stacks of domestics during midweek – mostly young couples and names we knew that had been caning it at the weekend. they seemed to happen tues/wed when the comedowns kicked in and I bet thats no co-incidence – and looking at some of the harrowing stories the girls have posted here it all fits into place. This is an aspect of the ravers’ lifestyle which is hidden under the carpet
there’s also the physical and mental health problems; usually the NHS pick up the pieces, often involving everyone from the GP to acute care (emergency department) and mental health units, requiring prolonged and expensive treatment.
Whatever postive things the rave scene has done in the way of music and art, it has (albeit in conjunction with problems caused by prohibition) created a drug culture which has left Great Britain with a lasting legacy of nihilistic drug use and dysfunctional behaviour which is costing the public sector millions each year, as well as the human costs to all involved. The non-drug users pay to sort out this problem and understandably resent every penny they spend of it.
A fair number of the old-skool ravers are todays washed out, hopeless, unemployable addicts. Not all of them of course (the survivors tend to congregate here!) but I’d be brutally honest and say that the survivors who are still raving are in the minority.
Of course the old skool ravers aren’t all brown bread (only a few of them) but many have either given up partying, are in HMP, in hospital or in dead end lifestyles. In many cases they’ve also caused a lot of pain to their family members and/or ex-partners…..
I’ve seen the crackheads houses where they’ve sold everything apart from their fantazia tape collections, and where in fucked up states of minds they’ve sprayed “SP23” on walls (and don’t think the cops don’t know what this means).
A lot of my relatives work in the health industries which has kept me on the level as I see both sides of what can happen to people – just last week someone presented to our local ED because the greedy bastard had doen an entire gram of coke to himself.
thats one reason why raves are despised by wider society and they insist on PELS, drug laws and other such nanny state legisation; some of us have shown ourselves to be spoilt kids who just don’t know when to stop, so hardly surprising nanny feels she has to step in.
At least with resources like this site we can help each other and try to stop things going too far.
yep i have to say that that binge was the heaviest ive ever had, and i would be more than happy if it was the heaviest ever. it was well interesting, and amazing fun, but it was the first time i have done drugs just because thats what we were doing, as opposed to enriching my experience of reality i was just sitting inside the drugs, especially after the k. its not something i approve of, as i think that we do need to sort the world out and sitting in a k-hole dribbling and laughing is just a total useless waste of time.
k well freaked me out. we did a hideous ammount, its such a weird game trying to stay outside the k-holes. its like standing ont the edge of a well with a whirlpool in it, that keeps rising to suck you up. very tranquil (suprising for a tranquiliser!)
i recon drugs should be for enhancing and unraveling reality for inspectioin, altering conciousness in order to place your normal perception in context. not just gorging on predictable chemical illusions. once drugs become more than a tool for understanding reality, and become a reality of their own, you have lost control over your reality and are fucked. the trouble is thats what i did weekend before last.
im just blathering on the net to tryan make some sense of it, work out what uses the experience has for my everyday reality, and to work out why the fuck i did it to myself. sorry if im a bore…
i tend to take a similar view (but perhaps in more pragmatic terms). I may have a slightly different perspective because I work full time in an office. this takes up a lot of my time and removes the time I have for creative stuff; so for me substances are for extending and enhancing the good times you have with your friends and party crews or for doing other stuff.
as I said previously having to be at work on Monday prevents a lot of binges (I’ve noticed a lot of people get in problems when they become unemployed, particularly as drugs aren’t free and there is the temptation to become involved in crime to get money for them)
but the philosophy I have is
if you are NOT
then you’re OK whatever drug you’re taking. the problem is that there culture of bingeing on anything in Britain – it seems people take things to extremes and then wonder why there’s a backlash …
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