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  • where do you get ibogaine from then i wouldnt mind trying it… I dont know if you saw that program called tribe where this guy went to diffrent tribes around the world and took part in thier different initiation rituals, but im pretty sure that thats what he did in one of them. Id heard about these treatment programs before, they do sound interesting.

    i fancy trying ket, up me snozz, how addictive is it in comparison to say coke?

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    About 90 minutes’ drive from the medieval spires of Prague, doctors and 20 macaque rhesus monkeys are hard at work at seemingly the most exhaustive study into the weaponization of the rave drug ketamine. While Russian, Chinese and American scientists may have similar lines of study, the Czechs are brazen enough to go on scientific record.

    “Aggressiveness and violence are spreading throughout the world. This is comparable to the epidemics of infectious diseases in the Middle Ages,” says Ladislav Hess, a scientist at the Institute of Experimental Medicine in Prague.

    Hess, with researchers Jitka Schreiberova, Jiri Malek, Martin Votava and Josef Fusek, is looking for a medical solution. “Pharmacological modulation of emotions has been used for decades. An example is the benzodiazepine Valium,” he notes. “Ways for pharmacological suppression of aggressors threatening victims are sought. The drugs used for these purposes are called calmatives,” producing calm, non-violent behavior.

    The group presented “Drug-Induced Loss of Aggressiveness in the Macaque Rhesus” earlier this year at an experimental weapons conference near Karlsýýruhe, Germany. But the forecast for calmatives — and the frontier for using behavior-modifying pharmacological agents as weapons in combat or law enforcement — is turbulent. The argument is over what is acceptable on the battlefield. New urgency comes with the ongoing revolution in pharmacology.

    “Loss of Aggressiveness” advances experimentation into different drug cocktails involving ketamine, well known on the party circuit as an effective anesthetic and animal tranquilizer. Mixed with ketamine was the benzodiazepine midazolam, a sedative used in pulling teeth; the alpha2-adrenoreceptor agonist naphtylmedetomidine, an intensive-care sedative; and the opioid remifentanil.

    The monkey subjects are 2-5 years old, weigh 2.3-7.6 kg. (5-16.7 lb.), were born and raised in breeding groups, and fed standard diets supplemented by vitamins and minerals. There were eight groups, each getting a different mix. “This species of monkey lives in despotic communities with a strict hierarchy,” said Schreiberova. “Many animals have mutilated knuckle bones or other injuries received because of fights for hierarchy.” The tranquilizers, however, calmed them. A naphtylmedetomidine-ketamine mix got the best results: loss of aggressiveness without significantly affecting circulation and breathing.

    “The onset of effect was rapid and we achieved complete manipulability of the animal, with low motoric sedation,” says Schreiberova. “The results can be used to pacify aggressive people during medical treatment [e.g., mental illness], [to counter] terrorist attacks and for production of new non-lethal weapons.”

    But it’s a big leap from experiments on monkeys to using an agent in the field. There are the practical issues of dosage and its effects on radically variable human physiology, and the unpredictable methods of drug deployment. There are also ethical questions, legal issues involving international treaties and a long and controversial history in the U.S. and Europe of military pharmacological experimentation involving everything from nerve agents to marijuana and LSD.
    Although they’re using a new compound in the cocktail, the Czech researchers aren’t the first to consider ketamine as a way to take the starch out of a situation. A seven-year-old report from former Pennsylvania State University pharmacologist Joan Lakoski and colleagues, provided to the National Academy of Sciences’ Naval Studies Board, lays out ketamine’s potential. It’s considered, along with a dexemedetomidine mix’s alleviating effects, for use as a calmative agent within a broader rubric of “minimal force option studies.”

    The Czech paper cites the potential use of paintball gun-like projectiles to hit targets with the agent, using DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide) as a way to speed the drug through the skin. But as former University of Bradford (U.K.) Non-Lethal Weapons Research Project member Neil Davison points out in one paper, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory was looking at DMSO-laced paintballs a decade ago. Some observers worry that advancing technology will make these dreams — or nightmares — a reality.

    “The first I heard about anti-bellicosity agents was in the late 1950s, half a century ago,” says Julian Perry Robinson, a former chemist and an expert on chemical weapons law at the University of Sussex (U.K.) Science and Technology Policy Research wing. And now, “our understanding of receptors, of ligands which can interfere with receptors, how those receptors affect behavior — a vast amount of knowledge is popping up.”

    The use of such agents in combat is generally prohibited. But riot control agents like tear gas, for example, are permitted during police actions. What constitutes a police action, or a chemical weapon, is becoming fuzzy. Robinson and others think the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC) needs to be clearer about banning behavioral agents and monitoring compliance. He’s drafting such a proposal. The CWC, which includes the U.S., has its 10-year anniversary review conference next spring.

    The U.S. walks a fine line in the debate. There is support among the military for research into behavioral modifiers, and more than one American researcher connected with the military thinks Schreiýýberova’s presentation is compelling. But it’s not policy. “The Defense Dept.’s Non-Lethal Weapons Program is not exploring any compound, device or system with the capabilities as described,” a U.S. military official says.

    The Russian Special Forces’ hugely controversial use of an opioid agent to end the Dubrovka Theater siege in 2002, when Chechen separatists seized 725 hostages, still reverberates. Dosage and delivery (as well as organization) were a problem — the doses were uneven, and the ages and physical conditions of the hostages varied. 25 hostages died.

    “You could argue with persuasiveness that these agents worked very well in Moscow. Many people were saved who almost certainly would have died,” says Mark Wheelis, a microbiologist at the University of California, Davis, and co-author of “Deadly Cultures,” a history of biological weapons. “That was because of the element of surprise. The element of surprise was lost once the first event passed.” Wheelis worries about the development of an open market for biological and chemical agents, where the CWC is eroded by de facto use and criminals and terrorists get their hands on ultra-effective calmatives. “The momentum in this field is very high and increasing, and it’s not designed to develop a weapon,” he says. “It is legitimate medical research, and it has potential for substantial benefits. If we can understand the circuits that control consciousness, the circuits that lead to schizophrenia and other kinds of mental illness, the benefits are immense. But if we can cure schizophrenia we can cause it.”

    There are no known pharmacological compounds that affect human behavior on a mass scale with any kind of margin of safety. But even if the U.S. military isn’t exploring compounds, there’s always the private sector. What the Pentagon has at its disposal is extensive archives as well as robust research into airburst munitions and other delivery systems. General Dynamics has even worked on a 155-mm. non-lethal artillery projectile. When an agent comes along, its ride will be waiting.

    “As we come to understand neural circuitry better, it may be possible to devise single agents that would affect cognition, but not respiration,” Wheelis says.

    Meanwhile, Schreiberova’s monkeys will keep at it. For a small program, it’s focused, with a long track record. An earlier paper from the group describes research going back to 2000, and use of data from human subjects. The Czech Ministry of Health funded “Loss of Aggressiveness.” Fusek has also written about VX and phosphate poisoning; Hess and Votava have written about dexemedetomidine suppressing dominant behavior in aggressive mice.

    Revolutionary advances in psychopharmacology and neurology promise wonders in treating mental ailments and nervous disorders, says Steve Wright, an ethics lecturer at Leeds University (U.K.). He’s just worried about the dark side. The goals behind artificially changing human behavior matter as much as the ability to do it.

    He cites the recent tempest over the so-called “Gay Bomb,” an old U.S. Air Force program aimed at introducing pheromones among the enemy to make them lovers rather than fighters.

    “We’ve laughed at it. But what if you can manipulate behavior in a way that allows one group to dominate another?” he asks. “What they should consider in decision-making circles is: Can we keep this genie in a bottle? It’s always like this. There’s nothing, there’s nothing, then there’s a resonance — the breakthroughs happen. Then, there’s a race.”

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    Why is it so hard to get hold of Ketamine. Did it for the first time last saturday and I had the best time ever lol. Only downside now is that I can’t find anyone that can get it :hopeless:

    That’s a good thing, Trust me mate you don’t want it to become a regular thing!:love:

    thats what amy winehouse said after she first tried it

    I wish it was hard to get hold of……im sure if it was harder to get hold of and not so expensive i wouldnt have loved it tooo much….

    Hard to get hold of? Probably the easiest thing to get hold of for me :crazy_diz Not that it pleases me in any way

    ai kevin seems to b the main attraction, can score that easier than i can score smoke atm, goin back 2years its used to b 1 of those rugs we only found at parties always used to buy a bit extra to bring home as it was a rareity along with mandy, cid and charles but now thats all thats goin round apart from cid which is a shame cz it my fav, kevin is no good if ya doin him all the time !

    My advice…

    Dont even start it…

    SD wrote:
    My advice…

    Dont even start it…

    Good advice really

    SD wrote:
    My advice…

    Dont even start it…

    You’ve had bad experince’s with k tho. If your gonna say that you may as well say dont start on any drugs.

    bad experiences are as valid as good ones….people need to get the whole picture…
    having read what people have been through on it ive never been tempted to do it…in fact Id run a mile from it- I think thats a good thing personally!

    Tekhan wrote:
    So the alcoholics, the heroin addicts,the coke heads, the smokers and the K addicts etc etc who’ve all learned the long hard way about these drugs,……….should not share their knowledge and experience with others…?

    only now it is starting to become clear – the very nasty physical effects of K abuse….the trouble is, as the poster shows, people try it once… and that is not enough….

    so where do you go then when you’ve tried it… do you deny yourself forever something you enjoyed the once……

    or keep doing it and hope you dont become one of the casualties….

    or listen to someone like SD who’s been there n done that, and is trying to help others not to go the same way….

    well, i know who i would listen to….

    Ive never done K…BTW, so I suppose I am even LESS able to comment. But I have got to say Ive never regretted NOT doing a drug, especially when i can look around and see the damage its doing to others.!!!

    Have you had bad experiences with a drug is this why you are so animated about this? I didnt say SD’s opinion is worthless.

    All drugs are open to abuse. It is possible to take drugs in moderation and still lead a relatively healthy life.

    If an alcohlic advised you to never even start drinking alcohol becasue of his own bad experience would you just take that as gospel.
    SD has just been in rehab for k abuse so obviously his opinion is going to be a negative one. (hope you dont take offense with this SD)

    You have to educate people not just tell them horror stories. Otherwise people stop listening after a while, eg the stop smoking campaign.

    people can then make an educated descision. Listen to what people say, but ultimatly you have to make your own descisions and learn from your own mistakes.

    DO not put words in my mouth please. I didnt say you said his experience was “worthless” – where did i say that! I SAID the bad experiences of people are as valid as the good.

    But why point out that SD is only warning against something cos he had a bad experience on it. That surely is obvious, if he hadnt had a bad experience he would’nt be warning people! Hes only trying to help a newbie…

    As to your question, I might have taken that as a cheap jibe, but I will presume you are genuiniely interested…. so to answer Im addicted to nicotine….. and I DO wish i had listened to the advice of others more experienced than me, instead of thinking I could smoke in moderation.

    djprocess wrote:
    Have you had bad experiences with a drug is this why you are so animated about this? I didnt say SD’s opinion is worthless.

    All drugs are open to abuse. It is possible to take drugs in moderation and still lead a relatively healthy life.

    If an alcohlic advised you to never even start drinking alcohol becasue of his own bad experience would you just take that as gospel.
    SD has just been in rehab for k abuse so obviously his opinion is going to be a negative one. (hope you dont take offense with this SD)

    You have to educate people not just tell them horror stories. Otherwise people stop listening after a while, eg the stop smoking campaign.

    people can then make an educated descision. Listen to what people say, but ultimatly you have to make your own descisions and learn from your own mistakes.

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