neither is crossing the road…its all a matter of choice, and weighing up the pro’s and con’s
i’ve not done a lot of research, and ive not taken k, but from what ive seen of other people, and read….my answer is no.
but like i said, im no expert.
We all know It’s addictive, If only psychologically. Cheap, gets you shit faced, and you’re likely to be in contact with it every time you see your mates.
Basically how do you help someone else with a K addiction? When I was taking too much and depended on it (Maybe not an addiction) I obviously helped myself, yet had to go through the whole process. I wasn’t even taking too much for too long.
Anyway. ALL my mates use K, bar maybe 1 or 2. Too many use too much. Some alot more and are alot more dependant, some are beginning to express unhappiness with their dependency and I really wanna help obviously…
What can I do? I still enjoy K safely and recreationally. So do some others. However the people wanting to stop can’t just not hang around with us.
I thought maybe I could give them Incentives, or maybe use alternative drugs. Or find some other Sunday comedown activity. Id love to say “Yeah I’ll give you a tenner every week yo do less than 2g” but I can’t afford that right now, got some money issues.
is your mate on the K every day ?
Between the few, the circumstances are different.
Although the common Issues Is they want to stop and are getting down about themselves because they can’t.
I wouldn’t say they were major users, but addicted all the same. If it makes sense, Id say the amount Is slightly irrelevant. They’ll spend all their cash on It.
i did k every other day for a few months.. I stopped when my tolerance got to a point that it wasnt doing anything unless i was pissed… i dont know why people carry on when it gets past this point.
when there not on K/taking a break from K, treat them with alot more respect, let em no that there much better off without the stuff. and then when they get back back on the K, give em the cold shoulder, dont show any respect. sounds harsh, but it works.
to give up any drug the positives of giving up have to overide the negatives. your mates will then have the two choices, the K, or the friendship you have with them. then the balls in there court.:bounce_fl
provide them with information to help with addiction, introduce them to a support network (eg here) and just support them as a friend best you can. You can push them down the path but only they may walk it. hope that helps at all, oh i almost forgot, drug counciling, ask your GP for futher info.
@Cosmic_Energy 247662 wrote:
when there not on K/taking a break from K, treat them with alot more respect, let em no that there much better off without the stuff. and then when they get back back on the K, give em the cold shoulder, dont show any respect. sounds harsh, but it works.
to give up any drug the positives of giving up have to overide the negatives. your mates will then have the two choices, the K, or the friendship you have with them. then the balls in there court.:bounce_fl
Sounds like good advice mate. Basically make em think they are twats on the K.
Unfortunately there’s only one way to get people off stuff, and that’s to make them do It (which is the issue).
The sad thing Is, when I think about it, I see so many people with Issues. People telling me they take/drink to feel normal. Makes me wonder sometimes If we are all deluded about the good life we live and If we are all hooked one way or another. Not even on one drug, but the life, which alot of the times IS the drugs/drink.
Don’t get me wrong, I like my life, I have alot of fun with good people, but we were saying the other day how sad It Is that sometimes the first thing we do when we meet Is buy things to get fucked. Or just to “have” a beer.
Then again In retrospect, there’s not many parts of any one’s life that doesn’t involve an addiction. Whether Its that cup of coffee, that program they watch, that chair they like to sit In, that place of mind or place in life they like to be In.
Funny old world Innit!
Very difficult if they don’t see the problem or want to stop.. But yeah try talking it through when they’re not on it n point out as much as possible how shit it is (and I know!) show em better stuff that doesn’t involve it.. Its easy to get stuck in the habit of doing it all the time coz that’s what u do but if u start to realise you can go to cool places and have fun without it it doesn’t seem as important. All the stories of people getting fucked up off it some who I know definitely started to put me off.. That, being done for supply, and wanting to go to uni sort of bought me to my senses a bit, but it took a while!
talk to them – if they won’t listen then start distancing yourself from them. that goes for any problematic drug users.
I know it sounds and is harsh but in this world you need to harden yourself emotionally to succeed in life. I have drifted away from a lot of people because of this (although I understand K and can be enjoyable I’m not willing to surrender too much of my life to it or any sort of drug).
I also noticed the moment I moved away from SE England I was virtually forgotten about because I wasn’t following the same crowds / wanting to get involved in the lifestyle, Even then I still have made a fair few good friends from my new area – but when I noticed people making the same mistakes its hardened my heart again and made me become more distant.
However I still have friends here and the closer friendships I am making don’t revolve quite as much around music or drugs, its because we have genuine deeper shared interests and plans..
Makes me wonder sometimes If we are all deluded about the good life we live and If we are all hooked one way or another. Not even on one drug, but the life, which alot of the times IS the drugs/drink.
Dom, you are 100% spot on about what life is like for a lot of people and clearly have got enough brain in your head to realise this. This is a really good sign for yourself and the future.
It can be harsh to follow your feelings and move away from “friends” as people may think you are a “goody two shoes” or a “babylon sellout” and all sorts – but sometimes it needs to be done. It will make you a far stronger person for doing so.
talk to them – if they won’t listen then start distancing yourself from them. that goes for any problematic drug users.
I know it sounds and is harsh but in this world you need to harden yourself emotionally to succeed in life. I have drifted away from a lot of people because of this (although I understand K and can be enjoyable I’m not willing to surrender too much of my life to it or any sort of drug).
I also noticed the moment I moved away from SE England I was virtually forgotten about because I wasn’t following the same crowds / wanting to get involved in the lifestyle, Even then I still have made a fair few good friends from my new area – but when I noticed people making the same mistakes its hardened my heart again and made me become more distant.
However I still have friends here and the closer friendships I am making don’t revolve quite as much around music or drugs, its because we have genuine deeper shared interests and plans..
Makes me wonder sometimes If we are all deluded about the good life we live and If we are all hooked one way or another. Not even on one drug, but the life, which alot of the times IS the drugs/drink.
Dom, you are 100% spot on about what life is like for a lot of people and clearly have got enough brain in your head to realise this. This is a really good sign for yourself and the future.
It can be harsh to follow your feelings and move away from “friends” especially those what may be dragging you down as people may think you are a “goody two shoes” or a “babylon sellout” and all sorts – but sometimes it needs to be done. It will make you a far stronger person for doing so.
Yep, people need to get to the point where they are really fed up with their use themselves and really want a change, then you can help them. Just taking one day at a time, or even an hour or less at a time if your really bad can make the task at hand seem easier to cope with, and just filling your day up with normal things to keep you busy.
Perhaps you could think up some alternative activity and suggest going off an doing it together one day? Something really fun and not shit and boring.
@coastie 247707 wrote:
Yep, people need to get to the point where they are really fed up with their use themselves and really want a change, then you can help them. Just taking one day at a time, or even an hour or less at a time if your really bad can make the task at hand seem easier to cope with, and just filling your day up with normal things to keep you busy.
Perhaps you could think up some alternative activity and suggest going off an doing it together one day? Something really fun and not shit and boring.
Is a good Idea, but usually we all do everything together. Say there’s a group of 20-30 who we all alternate knocking about with. We’re at a house party, or a free party. The pub works, but its expensive and mostly shit and we go make a house gathering somewhere and have K anyway.
It’s fuckin everywhere lol.
some may disagree and you may think dom this isnt true, please feel free to correct me on anything said, it isnt meant to offend.
this guy isnt going to much without the will to. He needs his between his own two ears that he wants to fight it …
two outcomes …
1.) he says yes but thinks ‘nah, i no its alllllll under control’
2.) he says to himself, i do and actually mean it
with the first, you aint going to do much with his attitude you could ask him to tone use down but itll prob get as far as the door, guarentee you could show him a picture of someone recieving key hole surgery and i bet he wouldnt bat an eyelid.
the second. it may take him to leave town, wake up in a ditch, upset close family members/friends or just start doubting why yo do it – my point being something will need to flick on a light in his head something which really grabs the root of him. throughout my addiction i’d cry as i was sniffin a line because i knew what i was doing was stupid (just like i described in the two attitudes part previous paragraph) dont get me wrong this didnt happen all the time but you’b be suprised how a personality can crumble.
this guy somewhere deep down will no your looking out for him i no it man and will appreciate it … he’s addicted to a drug which puts a rubber mask over yours and speaks for you and the problem is it thinks for you to.
stick with it and offer help, tell him he can talk to you but what you really need to do is try and remove him a little more from his current situation … instead of going out, offer a night of xbox (dont buy a load of beer, alcohol triggers the ‘need for’ receptor – bascially he’ll start to cluck) have a chat, not neccesarily about his sitch, but if he brings up how he could ”murder a line” or make up some one liner about how he wants a sniff, say ”nah, cheers mate” i suggest not then saying ”but if you want one, get one” … see how he reacts.
body language – becomes uneasy and then suddenly isnt enjoying oneself so much.
his talking – plummets like stock prices.
maybe not the whole xbox night but you get the idea?
remove him from his routine, k use is built by routine … problem is a routine has can have varyiable patterns where as addiction is more of a pattern. well, ive found anyway.
do everything you can mate, its good to see mates are still looking after each other. if it wasnt for mine as they all no, i wouldnt be here today.
all the best kidda, me.
@Digital-A 247712 wrote:
some may disagree and you may think dom this isnt true, please feel free to correct me on anything said, it isnt meant to offend.
this guy isnt going to much without the will to. He needs his between his own two ears that he wants to fight it …
two outcomes …
1.) he says yes but thinks ‘nah, i no its alllllll under control’
2.) he says to himself, i do and actually mean it
with the first, you aint going to do much with his attitude you could ask him to tone use down but itll prob get as far as the door, guarentee you could show him a picture of someone recieving key hole surgery and i bet he wouldnt bat an eyelid.
the second. it may take him to leave town, wake up in a ditch, upset close family members/friends or just start doubting why yo do it – my point being something will need to flick on a light in his head something which really grabs the root of him. throughout my addiction i’d cry as i was sniffin a line because i knew what i was doing was stupid (just like i described in the two attitudes part previous paragraph) dont get me wrong this didnt happen all the time but you’b be suprised how a personality can crumble.
this guy somewhere deep down will no your looking out for him i no it man and will appreciate it … he’s addicted to a drug which puts a rubber mask over yours and speaks for you and the problem is it thinks for you to.
stick with it and offer help, tell him he can talk to you but what you really need to do is try and remove him a little more from his current situation … instead of going out, offer a night of xbox (dont buy a load of beer, alcohol triggers the ‘need for’ receptor – bascially he’ll start to cluck) have a chat, not neccesarily about his sitch, but if he brings up how he could ”murder a line” or make up some one liner about how he wants a sniff, say ”nah, cheers mate” i suggest not then saying ”but if you want one, get one” … see how he reacts.
body language – becomes uneasy and then suddenly isnt enjoying oneself so much.
his talking – plummets like stock prices.
maybe not the whole xbox night but you get the idea?
remove him from his routine, k use is built by routine … problem is a routine has can have varyiable patterns where as addiction is more of a pattern. well, ive found anyway.
do everything you can mate, its good to see mates are still looking after each other. if it wasnt for mine as they all no, i wouldnt be here today.
all the best kidda, me.
Good advice mate, appreciate It. Will try something like that. Only 3 more parties this year, so plenty time in between. Hopefully can find some stuff to do 🙂
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