no idea what the US stance on it is, its a haliginogenic tanquiliser. its gotten pretty big over here, especially on the rave scene, which is weird, since you cant really dance for shit on it, i would say its best taken with some good mates in a comfy house. or not at all.
check here for details: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ketamine/ketamine.shtml
not to be taken lightly.
More on the psychopharmacological tip, ketamine is one of the first chemicals your brain releases in the first stages of death. It starts to shut down certain distracting mechanisms, anethetising you.
yah, k doesn`t make me agressive at all !
it has developed the scen in a specialway actualy!
and i dont think that it can , ..
k-ppl usualy seem peacefull.thoes who do doggy stuff in parties – they take something else i think.. speed probably -;
i myself in big-big-big trouble at the moment, im realy scared of everything i saw&heared , i realy don`t know should i come to this scumtek2 ??
…SCUMTEK2?….Where did you hear that?….Just for the record…I thought the first one went down a treat…ok it got busted at around lunchtime the next day…we still had our party…and soaked up the sunshine enough to not feel crap when the swine force did turn up…I don’t know if anyone got arrested…most smart people just left via the back entrance…theres always some trouble at parties…you should expect this…its what happens when anarchy is in effect…what matters is that those attending care enough about each other to report what they see to each other and sort out the thieving swine from the actual party people. I was at an open air teknival once. It was being held on a public right of way somewhere where you get “walkers” or whatever they’re called… Anyway, I saw this guy getting kind of escorted by two other guys towards a remote part of the party…being a little paranoid, I immediately was suspicious. Especially as I saw the guy fall over, and the other two were trying to pull him up off the floor…but by yanking his rucksack?? Now, most people may think they’re being paranoid and that they’re actually all friends and nothing is really happening, but I beleive its better to be safe than sorry…I approached them and kind of enquired in a friendly manner as to what was going on..( one guy on mushies and two guys pretending to be his friends trying to rob him ).. It was at that point that I realised I wasn’t being paranoid as I got a couple of dirty looks from the swine, so I just walked away calmly..and went straight to the sound-system kru. THIS is what I mean about sticking together… I beleive everyone who goes to a rave has a right to get as messed up as they like without the fear of being robbed or attacked..Thats in an ideal world of course…but such a party environment can be created if everyone sticks together..
wonkey donkey?
oj zvezdaaa!! – hi dear;]
are u going to riga?
..hm i think the ‘gop-ppl’ in there are safe, whatever , .. u know what i mean;]
thoes are not abiout snatching bags etc.
yeah, no k&crack in there actually, but im not motivated to get back there :~} nothiung to do for me so..
sorry guys for off-topic again ;[]
@errordevice]oj zvezdaaa!! – hi dear wrote:
are u going to riga?
..hm i think the ‘gop-ppl’ in there are safe, whatever , .. u know what i mean;]
thoes are not abiout snatching bags etc.
yeah, no k&crack in there actually, but im not motivated to get back there :~} nothiung to do for me so..sorry guys for off-topic again ;[]
Hellowww, hellowww darling:))) But who a u???:)
Haven’t been taking this very long, but since almost every pill I have brought this year has just been full of speed and full od crap anyway I thought I might try something different, its noramlly in crystals right? Coz I brought some and it was like it had already been cut! very powder like. which makes me think it was cut with something else. We did half a gram each no K hole or numbness of legs but extremely trippy!!! was it cut with something??
Am I asking a silly question here? :cloud9:
It all depends theres a few things…first of all when ketamine comes over its in liquid. When you “cook” it to get the powder out it forms as big crystals. Whoever it is then crushes it up to make the powder. Depending on who it is crushing it up some leave it as fairly large cryslas as there is very little waste that way….but when you crush it into a fine powder a lot can be lost. So it all depends on where it came from how finely powdered it is.
Finally sometimes what you buy is in fact not ketamine but a cheaper substitute doing the rounds called Tillemine. You still feel wasted just without the trippiness.
Oh aye k-holing often only occurs when you take a lot at once….I’ve taken two grammes over the corse of a night without k-holing as i like to take it in small doses for the fuzzy feel.
Oh there was lots of trippiness!! I really like it actually, I have kinda gone against my morals taking it though! Its probebly alot cleaner than alot of pills that are around at the moment though. :weee:
tiletamine is usually combined with zolezepam – a benzodiazepine (i.e a sleeping tablet type drug, the sort of thing given to old codgers to help them sleep and forget about the war etc…) this would explain why it is less trippy (and possibly more “tiring”)
this is a coroners report from an unfortunate Korean chap.
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A Fatality Due To Injection of Tiletamine and Zolazepam[/font] [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A 22-year-old male with more than 28 needle marks on his right arm was found dead. First, he was suspected as a drug abuser. Blood, urine, spleen, and injection-site tissue was collected during autopsy. The blood and urine specimens were screened for drugs. Immunoassay studies did not show any illegal drugs. However, two unidentified peaks were isolated in both of these biological fluids by routine gas chromatographyâflame-ionization detection (GCâFID) and thermionic specific detection. Additional gas chromatographyâmass spectrometry analysis determined these two peaks to be tiletamine and zolazepam. These two agents are used in combination as veterinary anesthesia. The concentrations of these drugs in blood were quantitated by GCâFID and found to be 0.85 mg/L of tiletamine and 3.3 mg/L of zolazepam. In urine, tiletamine and its metabolite, 2-(ethylamino)-2-(2-thionyl) cyclohexanol, were identified to be present along with zolazepam. The concentrations of tiletamine and zolazepam in spleen were revealed to be 0.92 and 3.5 mg/kg, respectively. Injection-site tissue concentrations were determined to be 25.1 mg/kg tiletamine and 23.3 mg/kg for zolazepam. The cause of death in this case was determined to be due to the multiple drug intoxication of tiletamine and zolazepam.[/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Heesun Chung, Hwakyung Choi, Eunmi Kim, Wontack Jin, Hanyoung Lee, and Youngchan Yoo
National Institute of Scientific Investigation, 331-1 Shinwol-dong, Yangchon-ku, Seoul, Korea 158-097[/font]
here is a report of it being found in French festivals (teknivals?) around 2002.
7 mars 2002
PremiĂšre identification de Tiletamine
Le dispositif SINTES (SystĂšme dâidentification national des toxiques et substances) pilotĂ© par lâObservatoire Français des Drogues et des Toxicomanies, vient dâidentifier un nouveau produit trĂšs toxique circulant dans les milieux festifs (ou au cours des Ă©vĂ©nements festifs).
La tilĂ©tamine, anesthĂ©sique vĂ©tĂ©rinaire, a Ă©tĂ© mise en Ă©vidence par lâun des laboratoires des centres dâĂ©valuation et dâinformation sur la pharmacodĂ©pendance (CEIP) participant au programme SINTES.
les CEIP fonctionnent en rĂ©seau et sont coordonnĂ©s par l’AfssapsLe produit se prĂ©sente sous la forme dâune poudre blanche. Il est proposĂ© comme ” cristaux de kĂ©tamine vĂ©tĂ©rinaire “. ConsommĂ© en ” sniff “, ce produit a donnĂ© lieu Ă des troubles neurologiques (convulsions, catatonie), gĂ©nĂ©raux (dĂ©pression respiratoire, hyperthermie) et du comportement graves justifiant l’ interventions dâĂ©quipes mĂ©dicales et sanitaires.
and a report from the British veterinary association which claims the stuff (administered on its own) is quite frankly not fit for dogs!
This stuff is clearly more dangerous than real K and best avoided IMO
Papers & Articles
Effects of tiletamine/zolazepam premedication on propofol anaesthesia in dogs
LK Cullen and JA ReynoldsonSchool of Veterinary Studies, Murdoch University, Australia.
The cardiovascular and pulmonary effects of tiletamine/zolazepam, propofol and tiletamine/zolazepam plus propofol were studied in five mongrel dogs. A cannula inserted into a raised carotid artery was used to measure mean arterial pressure (MAP) and heart rate continuously and to collect arterial blood for the determination of pH, PO2, PCO2, bicarbonate and base balance. Respiratory frequency and rectal temperature were also recorded. In the two propofol groups premedication had no significant effect on the time to rejection of an endotracheal tube and the return to sternal recumbency. The MAP and heart rate increased after tiletamine/zolazepam alone and after tiletamine/zolazepam plus propofol, although propofol alone reduced MAP and transiently increased heart rate. Respiratory frequency decreased transiently in both propofol groups in association with a significant increase in PaCO2 and decrease in PaO2. The most notable change was the hypoxaemia in the tiletamine/zolazepam plus propofol group in which the PaO2 was reduced. In all the dogs given tiletamine/zolazepam alone undesirable side effects were observed, effects which also occurred during the recovery of the dogs given tiletamine/zolazepam plus propofol.
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