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April 3, 2007 at 7:09 pm

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MisterDuck

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do you think it should happen?

reason i’m askin this is cos i really dont think it works, and i dont know how school governers/headteachers have the fuckin stone heart to write a kid off at 15-16 as a bad un… all most end up doin is spirallin downhill, cant get a decent job, get heavy into drug/drink abuse, fightin… the usual.

it’s creatin a problem, and didnt the recently make it easier for schools to expell kids? it just aint fair i dont reckon. i got kicked out for 5 months at the end of 3 n a bit years, not for anythin big put i’d pushed it too long, takin the piss. never hurt anyone just me and a few mates were notorious for all sorts of stuff, just havin a laff but pushed it.

durin these 4 months me and my few mates were just gettin high/pissed and doin absoblutely jack shit, if i hadn’t finally been re-admitted i’d probably be doin somethin worse now, out of pure boredom probably.

so yeah, what do ya reckon? personally i think writin kids off is wrong, and sendin them to young offenders will both just fuck em up, write a geeza off at this age is harsh imo…
April 3, 2007 at 7:46 pm

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General Lighting

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it can be harsh but in England you still get a shitload more chances than youths in many other parts of the world (even other European countries), at least we don’t have stuff like compulsory military service if you fuck up your exams or even if you don’t want to go to college or uni (lots of nations still have this).

School and uni is unfortunately about selecting the best and competition, it is like farming really… those in charge are picking and choosing the best for jobs, positions of power etc.

One harsh fact is that if you go into the town you will soon see lots of full prams being pushed by girls some of whom are only your age, in most towns there’s no shortage of kids being born so those in power feel they can afford to sacrifice a few, they pick and choose the ones they feel are worth supporting, and some people don’t exactly help themselves…

That said even getting in trouble or not doing so well at age 15/16 isn’t always a disaster if you have a supportive family, good real friends (not gangs) and a positive mindset.

I did various dodgy things back in the 80s/90s and caned the drugs a bit much but managed to do reasonably well in life…

TBH these days as long as you don’t make a habit of hurting people or stealing stuff you will usually stay out of jail, even if you are unlucky enough to get arrested for anything.

your school wouldn’t have let you back in if they didn’t think you had potential either…
April 3, 2007 at 7:54 pm

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MisterDuck

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yeah i suppose at the end of the day schools have to compete quite a bit, like the same as some kids aren’t allowed to take certain exams cos they will “drag the overall grades down”

they let me back in i think because they didnt have the grounds to permanently expell me, as i hadn’t done anythin particularly harmful to anyone else. also i think it mighta because i aint real “thick” (i hate that term), if someone is they tend to “give them the option” (basically tell them) to go to a college and do a vocational in summat.

i’ve just noticed most of my posts on here seem to be me complainin about stuff! haha gives the complete wrong impression of me, i’m a real positive fella, just i read a lot that annoys me and generally bring up issues that are on me mind on here! but in reality the negativity certainly aint the case :weee:
April 4, 2007 at 9:00 am

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i work with a number of young people who are either permenantly excluded or at risk of being excluded

it seems that schools just have the wrong approach to some of their students, cos we have quite a bit of success in getting people interested in learning

teacher training is inadequate to prepare future teachers for dealing with people with common conditions like dyslexia, so there is a lack of understanding about what a lot of school pupils are up against
April 4, 2007 at 9:11 am

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So not a good look

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globalloon wrote:

it seems that schools just have the wrong approach to some of their students, cos we have quite a bit of success in getting people interested in learning

I was expelled from proper school and wound up at this “special” unit where i found the staff to be helpfull and understanding,as a result i was not at all disruptive and learned more in a month there than a year at school.Wheather this was down to smaller classes (more one to one stuff going on) or because most of the tutors were alternative types not interested in quashing personality and more interested in who you actually were is debatable.But i would say the latter myself.
April 4, 2007 at 9:45 am

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GoodDoG wrote:

or because most of the tutors were alternative types not interested in quashing personality and more interested in who you actually were is debatable.But i would say the latter myself.

that’s pretty much our approach… step one find out what interests some one and what they enjoy, step two encourage them to do some of it in a constructive way
April 4, 2007 at 10:21 am

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globalloon wrote:

that’s pretty much our approach… step one find out what interests some one and what they enjoy, step two encourage them to do some of it in a constructive way

The Best approach i would say,worked wonders for me.
April 4, 2007 at 10:23 am

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globalloon

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GoodDoG wrote:

The Best approach i would say,worked wonders for me.

:love:

wish someone had tried it with me 😉
April 4, 2007 at 5:47 pm

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GoodDoG wrote:

I was expelled from proper school and wound up at this “special” unit where i found the staff to be helpfull and understanding,as a result i was not at all disruptive and learned more in a month there than a year at school.Wheather this was down to smaller classes (more one to one stuff going on) or because most of the tutors were alternative types not interested in quashing personality and more interested in who you actually were is debatable.But i would say the latter myself.

from some of your replies to the “nostalgia” thread I suspect you are slightly older than me (only by about 5 years or so at the most).

This was around the time where both junior and high school education was still experimenting with a lot of progressive ideas (many of which were abandoned in the late 1980s)

The problem is it costs money to make classes smaller and to have this specialist/progressive education, whilst at the same time Britain is being forced to compete in the global market with the kids from countries that were part of its empire and still kept the “victorian style” education, so it has to an extent gone back to the “old ways”

Unfortunately, “Victorian style” education works, if you are prepared to accept a high level of teenage suicide/mental health problems amongst the middle classes, and to divide kids into a “working class” that would work in factories or join the military.

Many Eastern countries still have both manufacturing industries and strong military forces to patrol often disputed borders and to “keep out the menace of drugs”.

OTOH the factories are mostly gone here in Britan and even amongst the angry youth few are wanting to go and get themselves killed in Iraq, so there is a growing underclass of disaffected angry youth.
April 4, 2007 at 8:05 pm

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parge

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i think on average schools do well by thair puples. everyone feels like schools are a shitter wen they are there but wen u leave you realise how easy you had it…but on the uver hand i think schools are RESTRICTAVE in the way they teach only wot the guvernment fink we need to know no ones tried ascin the children wot direction they want to take in life but then again maybe they just dont know …… ME? :hopeless::hopeless::hopeless: at school IME EDUCATED IN MUSIC!!!
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April 4, 2007 at 8:36 pm

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General Lighting

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parge wrote:

no ones tried ascin the children wot direction they want to take in life

they did for a bit, then stopped around the same time you were born – decided to go “back to basics” and teach kids only “skills that were saleable”

If I had to go back to high school again I’d probably last 3 weeks before being excluded and going in Young Offenders, and I’m supposed to be one of the “intelligent” ones.
April 4, 2007 at 8:59 pm

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MisterDuck

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General Lighting wrote:

they did for a bit, then stopped around the same time you were born – decided to go “back to basics” and teach kids only “skills that were saleable”

If I had to go back to high school again I’d probably last 3 weeks before being excluded and going in Young Offenders, and I’m supposed to be one of the “intelligent” ones.

skills that are saleable, too right… it can be well annoying. “get your grades, earn lots of money” – if your sole interest isn’t a nice house, nice car, borin middle-class bollocks family then you are fucked really.

you kinda get a choice with GCSE’s, but not too much. you can choose 3 or your subjects (this varies from school to school) with english, maths, sciene compulsory. but whatever you pick, includin creative subjects, they still aim for decent exam results n fuck all else.

i’m quite glad i’ve lasted pretty much all 5 years, over the years i spent a lotta time kicked out for various things but to be honest the young-offenders woulda been one of the ones in hull, and one notorious for being pretty… fucked up in general. the kids i knew who went there it certainly didn’t help em :you_crazy
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