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Neither GL. Believe it or not the olympics are the cause of the drought.
One of the main ingredients , probably safrole, is only really available from one region of China and the descent of the olympics upon the area has disrupted the supply.
There isn’t even quantities of MD left in Holland.
we’re talking about a number of interlinked issues here though – the newer RC’s/legal highs for the USA as well as MDMA or the lack thereof.
The so-called “legal highs” are definitely clamped down on and regulated more in the USA than the UK or some European countries (though the Scandinavian ones are quicker off the bat at making these things illegal) – and US authorities also tend to be harsher on MDMA/ecstasy.
I suspect the “war on some drugs” definitely does have an effect on people who are leading otherwise stable lives, planning to go to college or get good careers and clearly don’t want to get involved in more “heavy shit”.
Even Obama won’t be able to immediately reverse this (if he even wants to,as in the current climate there would be very little to gain from the US being seen as turning “drug friendly”)
There isn’t even quantities of MD left in Holland.
the olympics was many months ago, so why would this happen still today, unless it is the Chinese feds clamping down to improve their image worldwide and maybe even working with overseas counterparts? perhaps this is a “bonus” of an operation to bust people for performance enhancing drugs, leading to a lot of MDMA precursors also getting confiscated?
consider that far far more dangerous chemicals slip through the net and/or are traded via the “proper channels” both in China and to their foreign business partners… Incidentally freer movement and some forms of free expression (the Chinese have perfected the “bread and circuses” concept) has also led to recreational drug use becoming popular in China and countries influenced by it (particularly Singapore and even Australia) – this has also sparked a backlash (check the crime news from these countries, loads is getting seized)
Again its a case of enforcers still stubbornly trying to fight the war on drugs, and it may well be the case that Asian law enforcers are a bit more ruthless and effective than those in the West. TBH I think the supply is now being squeezed from both ends.
Back here in England I still think the “ground level” enforcement is making a bit more of an impact on the dealers at the bottom of the “food chain”. I can’t discuss it too closely on here but other than ketamine-(and even that is in short supply) there are certainly less party drugs available than even a few years ago, less dealers, people getting nicked left right and centre, others getting more paranoid (can’t blame them TBH) and stuff what does come through is of increasingly poor quality or in short supply.
The overdoses do have an effect too as they (understandably) deter people from taking anything and in extreme circumstances (when people get very ill or die) can even result in users what would normally not even consider this giving info to the Police (grief and anger can obviously make people react and want vengeance). They also mean cops are bothering to look out for bust people for pills/MD as well as coke and smack.
all i do know is that mdma is scarce, very very scarce
and pills are shit
hmmm
More simple than that, takes a while to get everything going again. Stock issues i.e when something is unavailable that everyone wants the supply is limited to begin with. The places I know of are beginning to see supplies increase and prices drop back towards normal levels just now. Although it may be another few weeks before they are fully on the ball again.
Is this really the reason for the shortage?
If so, that’d be really intresting.
nearly everything we use today (from illegal commodities to computers) has important components what come from some part of Asia so any supply chain problem reduces availability.
That said, I do think that when looking at the wider picture in other nations we may overlook the impact of “closer to home” busts.
For the sort of “small time” dealer who is themselves a party person but isn’t reallya criminal or sociopath, whether they are in Shanghai, Miami or London, arrest, bail and criminal penalties/prison are still traumatic no matter how macho a face they put on the whole incident.
it may be coincidence rather than “conspiracy” but there is definitely a clampdown at the low end in some parts of the UK at least. The British cops in London/the SE have even returned to busting and cautioning recreational users of party drugs like they did in the 1990s, particularly via random vehicle searches after some years of virtually ignoring people unless they were particularly blatant in front of uniformed officers.
That said, I do think that when looking at the wider picture in other nations we may overlook the impact of “closer to home” busts.
This is the same story I have heard from sources in Holland, Germany and the UK though, All of whom are connected with people manufacturing the stuff and therefore above these low level busts.
maybe its one big supplier/group of factories thats been pinched, which has meant thhe cutting off of lots of different supply chains. My mates have said they can still get it.
indeed, but I think its now a double impact.
In previous years there’s either been the UK end getting busted or the precursors getting busted at different times. Now both seem to be happening at once. The UK issues may of course however affect areas such as East Anglia, SE England and London more closely due to the NHS/cops working together and a media backlash… I think the North (and Scotland) gets left alone because legal nightlife is tolerated more and drug using youth there are viewed as expendable…
Yeh its still possible to get. I’m more talking about quantities here, if you wanted to buy a larger ammount i can almost guarantee you the prices will be a lot higher just now.
I don’t think thats the case up here. Scotland just isn’t reported on much in England as few cases up here involve anyone further south than Manchester. There is a huge drive against drugs going on up here but we have too much smack up here for the police to find the time to deal with anything else, well except Glasgow’s cannabis factories.
perhaps its just the Midlands, North of England and some bits of Wales then – (you can actually match up Govt indexes of deprived areas of England with locations of dance music friendly clubs on sites such as DSI)
but down south as soon as a few middle class kids (uni?) start keeling over from heavy weekends the feds are on everyones case – I think this is also why East anglia is clamping down (lots of uni / college students here)
Hi ive been a member for ages but never posted as i’ve been an active member in the legal high forums. I’ve loads of experience with the legal side of things, i also did the rave scene from 1990 to 1993, so i know whats what when it comes to decent highs. This is how it is with the legal high scene.
98% of legal pills are rubbish, anything that hails from usa will be crap due to their analogue laws or anything that is a herbal high.
Then there are the pills made from synthysised chemicals, mixed and formulated to give the party go’ers a good rounded high this is on the whole the ones that site in the 2%
Examples of these are: Some of the London underground range (not all are good).
Neorganics
They is also Bigluv capsuals which are infact(or they were) just the pure reserch chemical filled into a capsual.
Bliss = Methylone
Bubbleluv = Mephedrone aka mcat
Research chemicals (pure synthysed chemicals) there are alot, they have varying effects and are in general very new prob 4-5 years in a large enough circulation in the world to get enough info on it to make as much an informed decision on wether its safe(only safe to say not immediatly toxic nothing is know of long term use) for you to take. On the whole the research chemicals which are analouges of illegal chemicals you all know.
For instance Methylone – aka BK-MDMA – is a beta ketone of MDMA, the chemical structure is different to its cousin mdma, so in some countries they are not classed as the same as mdma. each countries laws vary for instance the usa have analouge laws which basically outlaws all veriations of the main illegal chemicals, hence all their legal highs are based on herbs which basically dont work so dont waste your money. Take 5htp when indulging in methylone its a precursor to the bodies manufacture of seritonine. Methylone was the main ingredient in a dutch legal high called explosion a few years back, its now classified as a medicine in holland thus illegal for recreational use.
New Zealand has a large legal high industry which was built on the BZP loophole which allowed an explosion in the country. BZP is now technically illegal to sell in the uk so effectively not a viable main component to legal party pills. London underground has launched a new range to replace the vacume left by BZP, some do include on the whole beta ketones although its debatable which paticular ones they are. They feel in effect very much like butylone!!!! theres alot of mystery around whats in the legal pills.
Mephedrone-aka mcat- is another beta ketone that was the main chemical that fuelled the legal craze in israel untill last january when it was made illegal. Mephedrone was one in a long line of analouges in Israel,methylone was also banned in Israel and was one of the first the israelies used to create the legal high scene over the last 12 years. Mephedrone is the only ingredient in bubbleluv, its not a go out party drug in its pure form as its very rushy (which is great) but its very mongy, you can seriously do 200 mg and lose 2 hours in a hypnotic round of rushes. Its also very very moreish, and you do become tolerant, it acts on the reuptake of dopamine. l-tyrosin is a supplement that you can take when indulging in mephedrone to help replace the dopamine.
There any potentially hundreds of so called research chemicals that can be obtained, but a word of warning its not sold for human comsumption and an awful lot research is needed as they have not been around long enough to give any long term effects.
There are plenty of legal high specific forums around for you to have a look. Me and my wife have written loads of live reports and views on legals we have tried. We now are only buying neorganics products, the best all round one being the Neo Dove 1. Reserch chemicals when pure are very one dimensional, the pills are formulated with a mix of ingredients to give a rounded experience. The only RC we will buy from now is Methylone aka BK MDMA , that’s really lovely, but not too much as its very sweaty, it gives the most intense, mind blowing orgasms, you wouldnt believe it heheheh.
Well i’m buzzing along on Neo Doves at the min, hence the massive post, sry sometimes you just get a typing bug when buzzing.
So research well, read live reports on dedicated legal high forums and never over do them, the ones above most certainly do work and dont think that because they are technically legal they are safe, treat with respect, dont drink alcohol with any legal highs and drink water to keep hydrated.
Warning- there are some RC’s that only require 6mg, thats an increadibly small amount for a big hit, and others require 200mg be sure you know what youve got and if you are not sure dont take it……..
Also i’ve heard that the downloadable mix by the unknow dj in the house section goes paticularly well with Neo Doves heheheh a nice 128 bpm to match the feel of the high.
Remember have fun, if its not fun anymore dont do it!
Very informitive, 1990again.
Thank you.
What products does the bk-MDMA show up in?
I’m going to run along now and do some research.
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I’m afraid that not only is a large ammount of what 1990 said actually misguided but all BK analogues are illegal in the states.
1. Neorganics stuff was good but it turned out to be both illegal and addictive. Now their new line is just illegal and nowhere near as good.
2. How do you get the idea that they feel in effect like Butylone? LU doves are the only BK LU product and that is definately not BK-MBDB. The effects across the different BK pills are all different and use several different ketones and additional ingredients, such as additional stimulants, which modify the effects.
3. Mephedrone is highly addictive, so I wouldn’t go reccomending it to anyone. Also neo doves are illegal in the UK.
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