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  • this programme is annoying to watch if u know anything about drugs.

    they clearly told George Lamb to say alot of the stuff he did ‘i’m really quite concerned!!’
    yeah i bet you are mate

    and for a scare tactic against mephedrone, methylone and mdvp they showed videos of people who had taken this chemical in the 1980s Erowid MPTP Vault people got parkinsons disease from using it once….. people have reported using lots of these plant feeders without any side effects.

    i wish they never showed this programme, bad bad publicity

    hahaha oh yeah and george got a doctor to look after him while he did salvia 5x!!

    hahahaha classicccccc

    p0lygon-Window;338728 wrote:
    and for a scare tactic against mephedrone, methylone and mdvp they showed videos of people who had taken this chemical in the 1980s Erowid MPTP Vault people got parkinsons disease from using it once….. people have reported using lots of these plant feeders without any side effects.

    its bad enough the quality of science education has declined without our national broadcaster transmitting this inaccurate bullshit…

    they used the same scare tactic against amfetamines and ecstasy in the 1980s/90s

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    i wish they never showed this programme, bad bad publicity

    its in the Ofcom rules that no broadcaster in the UK is permitted to transmit a programme showing a positive aspect of drug use, especially when younger people are watching. BBC3 is classed as a “youth channel”..

    General Lighting;338880 wrote:
    its bad enough the quality of science education has declined without our national broadcaster transmitting this inaccurate bullshit…

    they used the same scare tactic against amfetamines and ecstasy in the 1980s/90s

    its in the Ofcom rules that no broadcaster in the UK is permitted to transmit a programme showing a positive aspect of drug use, especially when younger people are watching. BBC3 is classed as a “youth channel”..

    such a shame that most peoples experiences are positive

    He was factually wrong in alot of it too. I swear at a point he was talking about how they can make stuff which is not illegal. Had a picture of a Mdma particle and drew on an oxygen atom, and said this would now be legal. I am not a chemical lawyer or any such expert but I swear that would still be classed as a class A under the cover all clauses we have for analogues in this country (the reason 2c-i etc was always illegal here, even before it was tasted by man but not in the states, as it is too chemically similar to mescaline which is a class A) I think he simplified it a bit too much there really, as although Mephedrone and methylone are beta ketone analogues of mdma, they are still distinctly different compounds.. Its not quite as simple as he made out. As you can clearly see if he had taken 2 mins to compare on anywhere he cared to look: MDMA – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Methylenedioxymethcathinone – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 4-Methylmethcathinone – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Shocking stuff.

    There were alot of scare tactics used, and I found the way he dealt with the people good enough to be willing to be interviewed pretty poorly, esp the guy at the end chatting about the RC’s. The faces he pulled when matey was giving him a (small) list of the rc’s he had tried, and he didn’t even give him time to get past about 3 names, matey just pulled a face because they were names of chemicals, and not brand names. That video he showed him annoyed the hell out of me too, you could tell it was pretty old, which showed it hasn’t happened in recent years since the RC’s (it looked like it easily pre dated the internet) took off, and was concerning completely unrelated chemicals.
    Very poor journalism IMHO.

    He kept on reporting that he couldn’t find out what the active chemicals were in most of the legal highs, which is rubbish a fair % of them if not herbal have the info on the packaging, and those that don’t (such as spice etc, which don’t so that people don’t realise quite how cheap it would be to make) a quick search online will for 99% of them find out the active ingredients. EG: Spice is mainly jwh 018 (which is really cheap btw) sprayed on plant matter. In the show he kept reporting that nobody, knew what it was.

    They portrayed the psyhonaught as a proper nutter.. The way it was editted when the police walked past, him acting weird about the guy having a problem having white powders in baggies on the table in public around the police. Of course matey would be worried, as the police will not know its legal until the tests come back, and to say that he knew what he was doing was dodgy because of his reaction to the police was wrong. I was pretty angry after watching that show, wanted to send feedback in.. but I figured it would just be taken as a “druggie” trying to defend his undefendable habit.

    Also one of the most sketchy things I saw/heard on the show wasn’t even touched on, when he went to guernsey he met some people into the legal highs and went off in a car with them to a car park where they all (drivers included, or at least thats the impression I got) smoked a pile of spice and said it was pretty standard for them to have a smoke somewhere for 40 mins or so, then drive somewhere else and repeat the process.. It struck me as strange that he didn’t bring up that they were driving about on this stuff, which was probably pretty dangerous and illegal even if the chemicals were legal. Don’t get me wrong, I used to smoke weed while driving on long journeys when younger pretty much religiously, but I wouldn’t anymore, and I’m not foolish enough to belive I wasn’t a worse driver when stoned, so its probably fair to say that another canaboid is likely to affect your driving in a negative way. Its one thing taking a risk yourself, but another putting other people at risk. Anyways, was shocked at the quality/balance of the reporting from the bbc.

    One of the only redeeming points to the whole show is when the Uni professor was saying he would probably prefer people to take mdma, as at least that has had alot more informal testing, and I suspect even this was only kept in the edit to show how dangourious these legals must be if a prof is recommending illegal drugs. It is true that Rc’s should be respected in alot of cases more than the standard illegals, due to the unknown element/lack of testing. I just didn’t like the way they got that msg across.

    Looks like I wrote a bit of an essay, sorry if it doesn’t make alot of sence can’t blame you if you don’t read it.. Just needed to vent, and this seemed as appropriate place as any.

    Mustard

    Mustard;338897 wrote:
    He was factually wrong in alot of it too. I swear at a point he was talking about how they can make stuff which is not illegal. Had a picture of a Mdma particle and drew on an oxygen atom, and said this would now be legal. I am not a chemical lawyer or any such expert but I swear that would still be classed as a class A under the cover all clauses we have for analogues in this country (the reason 2c-i etc was always illegal here, even before it was tasted by man but not in the states, as it is too chemically similar to mescaline which is a class A)

    I think in this country the laws apply to analogues for phenethylamines but not any others. unfortunately this looks more like a oversight on the part of the government than deliberately being more liberal.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_drugs_illegal_in_the_United_Kingdom

    hahaha mustard, pretty much everything you said i actually thought while watching!!!

    you can find out the ingredients easily drugsforum.com: The Leading Medications Site on the Net

    it was just an attack on legal highs, such a shame… oh well new chems will be out after

    Just watched the programme to see what you were all going on about. Also, i listened to George Lamb on the radio this morning, but all they were talking about was how often his outfit changed!

    My opinion is that some good points were made, but i couldnt take the programme seriously because it was so biased. Plus, George Lamb seemed very hypocritical about it all, considering he said he took illegal drugs – clearly didnt mean half of what he was saying and is just trying to further his bbc career. When they chatted to the pro legal high people they chose to edit it so actually they just talked about the negative side. Plus they showed people who were driving after having this stuff. Which, Mustard, whilst the host didnt point it out, did get noticed by both me and you, and a lot of other people im sure!

    Also, why does the answer always have to be making this stuff illegal??

    Nice to see him stop moaning and put a smile on his face when he had the salvia though.

    this is what the video clip was about… the case of the frozen addicts

    MPTP – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    i posted erowid link ellie =)

    oops, sorry poly. i even scanned through the thread to check i wasnt double posting!

    General Lighting;338913 wrote:
    I think in this country the laws apply to analogues for phenethylamines but not any others. unfortunately this looks more like a oversight on the part of the government than deliberately being more liberal.

    List of drugs illegal in the United Kingdom – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Fair play, I stand corrected.. I knew that the 2c family were all illegal over here.. Kinda assumed that mdma analogues would be too, have to be honist and say I’ve never actually bothered looking it up, just kinda assumed. I’d be supprised if the lsd analogues aren’t illegal too, seeing as otherwise we would have had loads of ald-52 etc about for the last however many years as there would have to be silly money in it. Although I would imagine you might have to make lsd-25 before hand in order to make it, but I guess if you made it in a safer country you could ship it to somewhere a bit hotter on it (such as the Uk) almost with legal immunity and then sell it as a real alternative to acid at a silly markup.. I’d imagine a Killo would have a street value of like 50million at a fiver a 100mic drop, which would be one hell of an incentive.
    Although I guess if you did get caught with it the authoritys might well hold on to it in the hope that it degrades into its illegal precursor, in order for them to do you.

    From his interview technique alone I still think it was rather poor/unbalanced journalism..

    Oh and Ellie, glad some other people noticed the driving too, I was pretty shocked that nothing was said about it… alot more of an obvious short term danger to society as a whole, than some unknown chemicals being eaten by a concenting adult. Was quite funny when he did the salvia, must have given him a bit of a shock, having said he was only really experienced in stimulants. I’d put money on his experiences mainly being with sniff, looked like the sort to me.

    At any rate, might be time to stock up on the ketones.

    ellie;339040 wrote:
    this is what the video clip was about… the case of the frozen addicts

    MPTP – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Didn’t realise that those cases weren’t even a result of an unknown effect of a certain chemical being abused, but more the result of a error in the manufacture of a drug (MPPP) Surely then that video is even less relevant to his arguement, if anything it points towards legalisation so that chemicals such as those are produced in proper conditions, not in illicit labs, and as such could be be properly monitored to ensure they are what they are ment to be which would have helped prevent cases such as that.. Also, if drugs were decriminalised MPPP would probably not have been used in the first place by the majority of the users effected if they could get hold of heroin/morphine instead.. And while heroin is no doubt a destructive drug, we at least know a fair amount about it and if it was decriminalised to an extent we might be in a better position to deal with the problems it can cause.. but then again we might not, what do I know, I’m just some dopey hippie that suspects he might be rambling some what.. Oh well.

    ellie;339043 wrote:
    oops, sorry poly. i even scanned through the thread to check i wasnt double posting!

    hahaha no problem darlin

    we were hoping we’d be told which ones worked the best :laugh_at::laugh_at:

    however we liked what the toxicologist at St Georges hosp said basely misquoted by me as

    ‘ he’d rather people took MDMA as they atleast know the side effects and have years of research into it’ :bounce_fl:bounce_fl

    but it was a load of poo, the geeza admitted to have (yeh yeh………… excuse it by saying you worked in the music industry..)
    having done pills, coke etc and then needed a harley st medical to take salvia…… what a load of pony :you_crazy

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