Party Vibe

its not possible any more to deport people who are born in the UK and are thus British citizens because they are behaving like scum.

Britain historically dumped a lot of its unwanted criminal scum on other nations (transportation) – slapped them about on prison camps; they then eventually brutalised the natives and built their own empires which is partly why the world is in such a mess anyway.

its already been lost. It is a vastly overrated document – it only gave rights to landowners (barons) and their followers, not the common people (something both the Levellers and the Diggers pointed out in the 17th century!) and most of it was actually repealed hundreds of years ago during various political wrangles and has been replaced by more modern legslation in line with todays capitalist society.

In recent times, the terrorists have been so successful in striking fear into the governments of this nation that its last remaining part (the law on habeas corpus which means people shouldn’t be detained without trial) is under serious threat.

its the same as the feds having to protect BNP marchers…

if it had kicked off, with all the mobile phones available today both sides would have called for backup, and soon the whole of Luton and surrounding areas would have been alight with everyone taking sides and eventually a race war starting.

Loads of innocent people would have got hurt and / or lost property (rioters don’t tend to trash their own cars!), and it would end up like some Northern or Midlands areas where communities are still divided after riots/disturbances 5 or even 10 years ago.

yes, but I am fairly sure that in the same week or a similar timescale the Home Office banned him, an Muslim extremist and (for good measure) a black gangsta rapper who was well known for crime/drugs and glorifying this in his lyrics.

People pay lip service to “free speech” and “persecution” when something they agree with is stopped but are happy to ask the authorities to ban things they don’t agree with.

TBH I think the Home Office is finally saying “enoughs enough” and starting to set boundaries, but where will it end? bear in mind websites glorifying drugs and drug culture are viewed by some to be as bad as militant muslims or right wing extremism or religious brainwashing!

the whole concept of todays “free speech” is very new, it only came about in my lifetime around the 1980s. Despite recent law changes, today in 2009 the Met “permit” all sorts of random protests in London which would have been closed down with force 20 years ago.

but the “freedom” we have today wasn’t even real progress done with good grace, it was simply a by-product of the social experiments of Thatcher, who relaxed Government control over the media and electronics communications networks and starved the Police and other agencies of investment as an accidental part of her “free market” ethos to encourage capitalism.

it was not an attempt to give people more real freedom, Thatcher herself has expressed regret for the “way things turned out”.

Having lived through Thatcho’s days I think its far worse than that, the majority of British people do not want total freedom and want a reasonably strong government. its not as if the bitch seized power via a military coup, and nor was the spin that full of lies etc, people voted for her knowing what she stood for, as previous to then the trade unions had flexed their muscles but pissed off the public by causing disruption to essential services such as rubbish collection, electric, water, telephones etc due to strikes. And there was a economic recession.

back then the Muslims would have been prevented from protesting, either by the Met SPG or the NF kicking shit into them (not much difference between the two) and it would have erupted into a race war, cops would have stormed in and beaten shit out of anyone what wanted to be stubborn.

and everyone would have just ended up hating each other for years anyway until they were forced to grudingly interact due to business pressures. TBH thats what happened in the 1980s anyway and how British society still operates 25+ years later.

yep it was as soon as their consumer society is threatened..

we had a recession in 2001 – before 9/11 but of course the attacks made things worse.

I don’t think the terrorist threat has changed all that much, both the Irish Civil War (still unresolved) and Middle East funded terrorism was a risk in 1989 as they were in 2009 – the balance of each threat may have shifted but its still there. I don’t believe the conspiracy theories – not when there is so much raw hate on the streets that any form of war/terrorism/conflict is possible anywhere if just a few young men get angry enough…

However I was thinking a few weeks ago about how in some respects its become like groundhog day and (other than technology) we’ve returned socially to how it was in 1988/89 – everyone (including lads what would have once partied together) forming factions, people going back to booze instead of pills (despite acid house good pills were hard to get), more fighting in the streets and people robbing each other even at “fun” places like raves…

but the problem I see is the carefree fun times of the 90s won’t come back because they depended on abundant cheap energy (oil) and peak oil has passed, and (at least for me) using drugs to escape isn’t a option as much as the issues are so strong no amount of substances lets me escape thiking about them..

I don’t think the end of the world is coming but everyone is going to have to rethink a lot of aspects about how they live..