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March 12, 2009 at 10:46 pm

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DaftFader

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General Lighting;313072 wrote:

yep it was as soon as their consumer society is threatened..

we had a recession in 2001 – before 9/11 but of course the attacks made things worse.

I don’t think the terrorist threat has changed all that much, both the Irish Civil War (still unresolved) and Middle East funded terrorism was a risk in 1989 as they were in 2009 – the balance of each threat may have shifted but its still there. I don’t believe the conspiracy theories – not when there is so much raw hate on the streets that any form of war/terrorism/conflict is possible anywhere if just a few young men get angry enough…

However I was thinking a few weeks ago about how in some respects its become like groundhog day and (other than technology) we’ve returned socially to how it was in 1988/89 – everyone (including lads what would have once partied together) forming factions, people going back to booze instead of pills (despite acid house good pills were hard to get), more fighting in the streets and people robbing each other even at “fun” places like raves…

but the problem I see is the carefree fun times of the 90s won’t come back because they depended on abundant cheap energy (oil) and peak oil has passed, and (at least for me) using drugs to escape isn’t a option as much as the issues are so strong no amount of substances lets me escape thiking about them..

I don’t think the end of the world is coming but everyone is going to have to rethink a lot of aspects about how they live..

i belive in some conspiracys and i think it’s nieve to say that the govenment arn’t out for there own interests and don’t go about this in deciptfull ways (not that you were saing that).. i also know that there are real threats to us ..not every thing is make belive .. but i also belive that these threats are used as excuses to put exagerated laws into place … used to cover up certain actions that in a peace full care free sociaty (hypatheticaly speaking) would be noticed alot more … and if the govenment are using things like terrarsim as a guise to get what tehy want in other aspects of there reign .. then it stands to reason that they want to keep these “threats” active ones … by “stiring shit up” ….

on the oil note.. my friend was telling me that they have found this abundance of solid or powdered methaine under the earth .. or some thing like that .. that packs alot more nrg than coal … but weather the masses will ever get to hear/use this stuff to power there heaters is another thing
March 12, 2009 at 11:00 pm

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General Lighting

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DaftFader;313073 wrote:

i belive in some conspiracys and i think it’s nieve to say that the govenment arn’t out for there own interests and don’t go about this in deciptfull ways (not that you were saing that)..

oh certainly stuff like the Bilderbergers, Trilaterial committee, Economic League etc exists, but I find it hard to now class them as “conspiracies” as it seems blindingly obvious that those with money, power and influence will do everything to hold onto it.

However I differ from what a lot of yanks think which is that there is one single conspiracy.

I think there are multiple factions of powerful people, divided particularly amongst “religious” lines who are using their followers as pawns in their games, hence all the war and terrorism, and that bored angry young men are drawn to extremism all across the worlds.

Others understandably don’t want to let the freedom to travel as they please, to buy stuff for themselves and their kids etc slip away due to lack of resources, so they are prepared to go to war to secure these resources (i.e try and overpower other groups what want them) simply because conventional govt and business can’t or won’t negotiatiate fairer ways of sharing them out.

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on the oil note.. my friend was telling me that they have found this abundance of solid or powdered methaine under the earth .. or some thing like that .. that packs alot more nrg than coal … but weather the masses will ever get to hear/use this stuff to power there heaters is another thing

I think your friend means “tar sands”. The problem with these is that it takes as much if not more resources and energy to extract useful product from these as is housed in them; and getting at them requires trashing really beatiful parts of Canada etc and is dirtier even than conventional coal mines (another thing that we could have kept in this nation and perhaps not been at war today!)
March 12, 2009 at 11:09 pm

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DaftFader

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General Lighting;313074 wrote:

oh certainly stuff like the Bilderbergers, Trilaterial committee, Economic League etc exists, but I find it hard to now class them as “conspiracies” as it seems blindingly obvious that those with money, power and influence will do everything to hold onto it.

However I differ from what a lot of yanks think which is that there is one single conspiracy.

I think there are multiple factions of powerful people, divided particularly amongst “religious” lines who are using their followers as pawns in their games, hence all the war and terrorism, and that bored angry young men are drawn to extremism all across the worlds.

Others understandably don’t want to let the freedom to travel as they please, to buy stuff for themselves and their kids etc slip away due to lack of resources, so they are prepared to go to war to secure these resources (i.e try and overpower other groups what want them) because conventional govt and business can’t or won’t negotiatiate fairer ways of sharing them out.

yeah thats exactly what i belive when it comes to “conspiracys” .. it seems highly unlikely that there is one overall power that the queen, tony blair, brown, bush, obama, binladan, sadam,kim il jong and hittler all sit around in a secrit base some where and discuss over a nice cup of tea what they are gonna do tommorow (the same thing they do every day .. try to take over the world):laugh_at:. however i do think like you say there are a few smaller scale groups with alot of money and power bringing them together that are tring to wipe out other such groups with a goal to create total controll over everything. the most recent, ovious and close to home manifested it’s self with the bush/blair “friendship” ..this seemed to me more than just an alliship (if thats even a real word) .. alltho in saing that i am sure that every power overlaps at some point .. eg. gun sales from oposing nations to fight allies … ect. i don’t think there is a global organizedness to it ..
March 12, 2009 at 11:38 pm

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General Lighting

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Another issue which hasn’t yet been addressed is that there have been at least two such parades of homecoming troops in Woodbridge (a town on the outskirts of Ipswich) and Colchester as well as smaller parades in Suffolk.

Suffolk and Essex are just as multicultural as Bedfordshire, with a significant amount of Muslims particularly in the urban areas, as well as a fair few people from all cultures and races who are anti-war and attend various protests. The same goes for Norfolk and I think (am not 100% sure) there has also been a parade in Norwich which has similar demographics.

Yet – none of the military parades have been targeted by protesters of any kind. Seems like people here, for all their East Anglian stubbornness have the decency to look at the wider picture and put their opinions to one side and let soldiers and their families return from a war that no one really wants to have anyway but we as a nation have forced ourselves into due to our resource consumption patterns.

I do wonder if the protests in Luton are a escalation of other underlying tensions, and if Bedfordshire Constabulary have any sense they would keep close watch on all this.
March 13, 2009 at 12:50 am

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MisterDuck

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supporting the rights of someone is different to supporting what they are saying, of course

see other thread for details

basically

give up our civil liberties, human rights and freedom of speech and the extremists have won.

the end.
March 13, 2009 at 3:05 am

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benbear

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I don’t miss Luton one little bit.

:hopeless:
March 13, 2009 at 5:47 am

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GiantMidget

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benbear;313100 wrote:

I don’t miss Luton one little bit.

:hopeless:

Luton’s is a shithole.
March 13, 2009 at 5:47 am

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GiantMidget

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benbear;313100 wrote:

I don’t miss Luton one little bit.

:hopeless:

Luton is a shithole.
March 13, 2009 at 10:50 am

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General Lighting

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benbear;313100 wrote:

I don’t miss Luton one little bit.

:hopeless:

fair enough. but you’ve got all this going on where you are thanks to the efforts of extremists..

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I wonder though if people would be just as angry had the protestors been from the normal (i.e white british hippy) “anti-war” movement?
March 13, 2009 at 5:17 pm

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GiantMidget

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General Lighting;313120 wrote:

I wonder though if people would be just as angry had the protestors been from the normal (i.e white british hippy) “anti-war” movement?

Probably not cos AFAIK the hippies have not called for Sharia law in Britain and decapitations of non-believers and members of the armed forces. 😉
March 13, 2009 at 5:28 pm

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General Lighting

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DJCliffy;313174 wrote:

Probably not cos AFAIK the hippies have not called for Sharia law in Britain and decapitations of non-believers and members of the armed forces. 😉

Theres also elements in the anti-war / ecological “professional protest” movement who certainly do have extreme views about veganism/animal rights etc and who would also would like a good ruck with the feds or squaddies or anyone else they don’t agree with. I certainly remember in the 1980s many anarchist magazines advocated actual violence against opponents, to the point some were banned…

In the 90s that whole movement was “infiltrated” by footy hooligans what discovered drugs, the “brew crew” type of traveller as well as angry “macho” Europeans who realised they didn’t get as much of a kicking from British cops as from european ones and they are all prepared to use force against those they disagree with. This isn’t daily mail propaganda, its incidents I saw with my own eyes.

Every resident of this nation is as responsible for at least part the war and the deaths of innocents as any serving soldier, even if they don’t openly agree with the Iraq invasion. We all make use of the energy and transport provided by middle eastern oil, even just to post this message

I’d still find it just as wrong if the anti war lot protested directly against homecoming troops as these militant Muslims. If people wish to protest they should do it on another day and at the correct targets which are the politicians who sent the troops to war..
March 13, 2009 at 5:41 pm

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GiantMidget

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General Lighting;313176 wrote:

I’d still find it just as wrong if the anti war lot protested directly against homecoming troops as these militant Muslims. If people wish to protest they should do it on another day and at the correct targets which are the politicians who sent the troops to war..

Hear hear! totally agree with you. 😉
March 16, 2009 at 7:37 pm

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GiantMidget

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It’s gonna kick off in Luton soon. Watch this space. :hopeless:
March 16, 2009 at 9:57 pm

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O-D

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DJCliffy;313774 wrote:

It’s gonna kick off in Luton soon. Watch this space. :hopeless:

What are the whisperings of the dark side, Padawan?
March 16, 2009 at 10:09 pm

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GiantMidget

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O-D;313837 wrote:

What are the whisperings of the dark side, Padawan?

In Luton because of those protests, racial tensions are at an all time high. Several no white areas have sprung up and people are getting very pissed off with it all. There’s also been a spate of attacks on non-Muslim populations and vice versa but it’s mainly against the non-muslims. Something is brewing over there and i think it’s going to erupt quite soon. :crazy:

Just hope whatever it is it doesn’t spread over here, not that far from Luton you see and personally i’d rather it didn’t, can’t be bothered with all that bullshit! :hopeless:
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