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Just hope whatever it is it doesn’t spread over here, not that far from Luton you see and personally i’d rather it didn’t, can’t be bothered with all that bullshit! :hopeless:
Even when I was living in Luton we had violence between the two groups.
At the Luton carnival there was a big fight and I always heard about them meeting up for a war.
It has been brewing for a long time and sometimes does erupt into terrible things like stabbing and even gun fire.
I did notice when Exodus was partying in Luton the two groups and others seem to get on with each other, there was hardly ever problems and if there were it was sorted out quickly. Just shows it is possible for every one to have a peaceful town.
After Exodus stopped there hasn’t been this place for the groups to mix together so ……………………….
War it is. :hopeless:
I’m hope this will not happen. But there was and looks like there is so much hate in Luton now it could explode into this.
But as I said there was mutual respect in the old days between gangs and religions despite the fighting. I really believe Exodus had a huge part to play in this.
What I mean by mutual respect is we knew what could happen if it exploded into some Riot and we did have friends from these other areas. I went to school with many and again there was no problem. So despite fights and battles it was looked at that point and didn’t over spill into the next day or worse into a race war. I’m not saying these fights were right, they seem to happen every where in the world.
The town has always been split into it’s areas, which causes a focus on who is best, biggest and the hardest. This is something I have always wondered about, it seems to me fingers should be pointed at local governments, councils and I hate to say the police don’t seem to help the topic in hand at all.
I hope for some peaceful end to this shit. I lived with it for 18 years being from Marsh farm my self.
Hopefully the young generation can find some way of bringing every culture, creed, colour and religion together again.
No matter who is wrong and right if it explodes into some race war they will be all wrong so let’s hope for the best
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A touching subject for me so sorry for my rant
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I wonder though if people would be just as angry had the protestors been from the normal (i.e white british hippy) “anti-war” movement?
Fair enough. Does not mean I’m against this as well.
:laugh_at: I seem to end up in these places.
what is really fucking annoying (more so if you are British Asian) is that the politicians, particularly the last Tory Goverment quietly encouraged all these lads to move to more disciplined following of religion (possibly even against the advice of cops and MI5) because they didn’t like the way Asians were moving away from being “hard working businesspeople” and getting into drugs/partying
during the 90s I lived in Reading which was and still is ethnically as diverse as Luton, exactly the same tensions exist, only reason it doesn’t kick off is because there is more money there…
the worst part of it is the only reason some nations (particularly SE Asia) don’t have race war is because they have much more authoritarian govts, and if people don’t check themselves thats exactly where we are headed in our lifetimes (and I mean the next 5-10 years, not when we are elderly)
during the 90s I lived in Reading which was and still is ethnically as diverse as Luton, exactly the same tensions exist, only reason it doesn’t kick off is because there is more money there…
the worst part of it is the only reason some nations (particularly SE Asia) don’t have race war is because they have much more authoritarian govts, and if people don’t check themselves thats exactly where we are headed in our lifetimes (and I mean the next 5-10 years, not when we are elderly)
Well said. 😉
Thats where I think you are wrong(about the anti-war protesters); Every soldier that keeps feed this faul war with troops by signing the contract is wrongdoers. I think they need to be remined that they are not heroes! If no-one signed up for this war it will be cancelled for lack of interess…. The single individual responsibilty for this war is just as disgracefull as the politicians, in the first place it is their vote that put them into the parlament….
But as for the muslims(they are in their rights to belive what they want), I disagree with them as well. But to say what I really mean here on that issue would be not good or nice so I throw their allah in the bin together with god, santa-claus, trolls and other beings of the past….(too simplified maybee, but it covers my way of looking at things….the never ending story of religious rights contra freedom of speech and free living…)
I never said anyone (even religious types) shouldn’t protest – simply that it should be limited to a point where it does not cause an actual massive risk of civil disturbances across communities already divided by this war.
After all that protest in your country about the mohammed cartoons (which was stirred up by a right wing Christian newspaper) caused millions of crowns of damage and divided communities – it has taken away money from your public and private sectors, encouraged the people to elect centre right wing govts more hostile to things like Ungdomhuset, was any good whatsoever achieved by this “freedom?”
the reality is in the UK it all goes back to the people, all 30 million or so who are adults – civillians, soldiers and politicians alike. Every adult in this country has blood on their hands, even the supposed “anti-war” protestors, whether or not they even agree with the war. The soldiers may not be “heroes” but the people are even worse as they are making them go there.
In 2000 people in Britain used their “right to protest” to complain because the price of petrol/diesel had gone up. The right wing legitimate parties helped organise this protest, claiming it was due to the (then) more social democratic government imposing high tax levels on fuel, despite the reality being that the tax increases were set up by the conservatives and had stopped increasing in early 2000.
The real reason for the rise in fuel prices was because the OPEC countries had raised their prices as a group. So it was really what made the UK government join with the US to go to war in Iraq, Tony Blair did lie about “weapons of mass destruction”, but TBH I feel if he had had the balls to say to the country “we are going to war to secure oil resources” the British people would still have accepted the war.
I have been in the 1990s involved myself with so called “political activism” in England and I just saw a lot of hipocrisy there – people getting involved in protesting simply because it was “cool” and better than being a football hooligan. here we get people start off as a left wing protester, then go to the right wing, then even support the radical Muslims – whichever one they think produces the best fights. Of course the protest “community” blamed MI5 (our domestic Security Service) and “infiltrators/agents provocateurs” but the reality is the cops stopped doing this sort of stuff in the 1980s – by the 90s it genuinely was burned out drug users and local thugs hijacking the protests.
Perhaps in Denmark and Europe people do not do this sort of treachery, but this is how our “activism” seems to exist in England hence why it rarely achieves anything good. (I deliberately stated England as the other UK nations seem to be better at positive activism!)
Those few activist groups what do achive positive stuff are often smaller, more equal in gender and concentrate more on real solutions (community gardens, bicycle workshops etc) than street protests – which by their very nature create conflict and opposition in the UK, often even amongst people what would normally support the cause – simply because its a small country here and blocking a road makes it difficult for people to get around.
Mate i think what you’ve written here is absolutely ridiculous. What about the good they are doing out there and in other places around the world, What about in the past when natural disasters have occurred and the armed forces have gone to help, were they wrongdoers or disgraceful then?
Have you actually looked into the change in Iraq? Iraqis have freedom, yes, freedom now. Saddam was a fucking monster and yeah fair enough we went to war under false pretences but now the Iraqis have the freedoms we all take for granted. I know an Iraqi (works for our company) He spoke against saddam back in the day and had to flee to the UK, his brother did as well but stayed, He was then murdered by govt officals. This fellow has now been back to his native country and says the change over there is incredible. He thanks god (allah to him) that the UK/US intervened and got rid of an evil regime, same probably goes for alot of Iraqis. But I suppose that was pretty disgraceful that happened eh, should of left em to it. I know we were fed a load of lies by the government for the war but i think it has and will work out well in the end. I don’t find it wrong that Iraq is starting to become more stable nor do i find it disgraceful. Same goes for Afghanistan.
Don’t think i’m having a go as everyone’s entitled to their own opinion, i just found those to be a very poor choice of words. :love:
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Correct me if I’m wrong but soldiers cannot refuse to go where they’re posted, if they do then they’re court martialled right?
Sinner you make it sound like there are no armies except for when a war is on and then people flock to sign up. The majority of the troops would have been in the army before the war begun so it’s not like they had much choice.
yes, it would be classed as going AWOL or desertion and they would certainly be subject to military discipline procedures.
if anything HM Forces are finding it difficult to get new recruits because its dawned on everyone that war isn’t fun at all and people are getting killed.
Although DK’s army has pulled out from Iraq it was there from 2003-2007, including Jægerkorpset (the danish equivalent of the SAS).
I don’t see the current Danish people to be exactly “warmongers” or happy about the war (presumably why the units have withdrawn) but I think people reluctantly realised why it is happening – and are more clued up about energy shortages than in the UK.
Behind all the lies and spin, and the arguments over religion the harsh truth is that in all EU countries we are fighting this war to ensure that we can put fuel in our vehicles to travel as we please (including our non-essential travel to gigs/parties etc) – that we have 230V in our electric power grid 24/7 so we can use the internet and our telecoms equipment and post these messages, and that our consumer society that we still enjoy (even if we are left-wing) keeps going.
None of us may at present want to pick up a rifle and go to a foreign nation and intimidate other humans into handing over control of their valuable resources but by our own actions (even debating this online) we are responsible for putting the soldiers there. Soldiers, whether “friendly or enemy” are just pawns in a bigger game and we need to consider our individual and group actions.
Until we genuinely create a society less dependent on fossil fuels and free market capitalism (and I see no real solutions even in the long term) war will continue.
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