Party Vibe

@Ki2 455751 wrote:

I was there such a shame, they stopped the music and made an annoucment pretty much saying “shit like this shouldn’t happen at a free party, if they find out who it is they will beat the shit out of them”. Over than that i was a great party Chronic!! 😉

whilst at least they are acknowledging the trouble, in the days (thankfully less common now) when the feds used to dole out punishment of this nature to petty criminals, people banged on about “fair trials” and “human rights” and that only proper Courts and judges should decide punishment.

It didn’t stop the crime either, just made the criminals more violent – they’d take revenge for the beating they got off coppers out on their next victim, and the NHS have to patch up yet more casualties.

When the other authorities are discouraged from this and even townie bouncers have been forced to clean up their act, why should illegal party organisers be able to get away with vigilanté action?

I don’t mean simply ejecting a troublemaker with reasonable force and removing them off site or even handing them over at the Police roadblock, which has actually happened on a few occasions in some areas, but announcements like this are setting things up for a continual stream of tit for tat attacks and eventually gangs taking over the party like what has happened in London.

Saw the exact same cycling up the hill to my estate, looked like two lads from two separate families had argued and done equal amounts of damage to each other. unfortunately in many areas (not just London) there is a culture of stubborness and fighting and in my area even when people got hanged stuff like this still happened. I also read up on really old true crime stories (early 20th century) and there was one chap what beheaded his rival with a sickle or similar large knife used for agricultural purposes and was brazenly waving the head around to the local bobby before he handed himself in saying “i’ve only killed a sheep, that is all he is worth”. (He actually got sent to the lunatic asylum rather than hanged, but in them days that was basically a whole life sentence).

Unlicensed raves were originally held to get away from a wave of violence which blighted licensed events in the East and other areas (both townie and underground EDM ones) during the 1990s, and until recently were often safer than going to a town centre.

Now this is no longer the case there isn’t really much justification for the cops to leave them alone and ignore the other crimes such as drug dealing/use and motoring offences, as well as criminal damage, nor is there any requirement for local authorities them to license raves in town centre venues if they think that the costs outweigh the benefits (especially in towns like mine where they are even turning off all the street lights after midnight and people (especially young women and the older generation) are now getting too paranoid to go out!).

A lot of metpol senior detectives (the ones what dealt with major crime families in the 80s and 90s) are genuinely shocked at how much violence they see, (especially when there isn’t even much money / drugs involved) and how youths are prepared to kill on a whim (and end up getting a 20-30 year minimun tarrif). Similar with GMP, Lancs, Merseyside and SYP up North.

At the same time SOCA are complaining that the older dealers of pills and other party drugs etc are harder to catch now, because they weren’t being particuarly violent any more in comparison and people what incurred debts were being given time to pay :laugh_at: – normally they only get busted if they don’t have a day job and can’t explain something like a brand new motor car or all their kids going to private school when they are a out of work builder from Pitsea and mum is a beauty therapist from Benfleet but hasn’t had many contracts come in.

What is more relevant to this scene is night life is a privilege, not a right. Its not possible nor within human rights to lock off whole streets by daytime unless there is major gang violence, and postcodes are useful in a country like Britain which has the most complex geography in the world and many duplicated street names.

However, especially in hard economic times, and especially if UK musicians do not clean up their act and their personal image (consider how Dutch and German DJ’s and producers normally distance themselves from excessve drug culture and anti-social behaviour) there is nothing against current human rights laws about enforcing curfews and limiting the night time economy to just after midnight, which was the case in nearly everywhere outside London until the mid 1980s and even London venues rarely opened after 02:00. Anyone found on the streets after these times was stopped and searched simply on the whim of any passing copper!

@DaftFader 456073 wrote:

Postcodes themselves are usefull .. just the idiots what tag thiers all over the place and then fight anyone who’s from a dif postcode are what I was on about (In my drunken rant)

We get that too (with slightly less violence but only because feds keep a close watch on the wannabe plastic gangsters here).

There were always territorial gangs in London but postcodes didn’t get regularly used until the 1970s and even when I grew up there used to be fighting between people simply because they went to a different high school in the next county, including the use of knifes and weapons, and there was a warning in 1986 about knife carrying after a fatal stabbing (in a relatively posh area in SE England!).

I suspect the main reason for the recent of a postcode as gang territories is mostly to do with the rise in online shopping for stuff like music equipment (this is also because its more secure for the shops) and high ownership of cars with satnavs and smartphones with GPS – to use any of these you have to know your postcodes… its a odd thing though, as are Blackberry smartphones becoming popular with rudeboys as until recently (and even in this area) they are viewed as for ‘suits/businessmen/older people’

I don’t think that Engliand is actually more violent than 25 years ago. I was in late primary school age when I first started seriously becoming interested in criminology and politics, particularly stuff like criminal gangs and the IRA (to the point that some teachers/yoghurt weaver social worker types were getting concerned, although not the Nuns in one Catholic school I went too :wink:) and the same crimes as today were happening then, if not worse ones, and nightlife or being out on the streets in the 80s always carried with it a risk of involvement in crime/violence.

All that happened in the 1990s to the mid 2000s was that a combination of relatively good economic times (even when there was recession you could often get some kind of work as there was less competition for it from foreigners), novel drugs and music scenes reduced the conflict between groups of youths for a few years, and although the drugs created a wave of violence amongst the dealing networks and also the comedowns/mental health issues caused people to behave badly, there was still enough “spare cash” for non participants not to feel angry about subsidising the costs caused to society by the music scene. (There also was the fact that the music industry had higher net worth, and therefore taxes – Tony Blair initiially didn’t whine about Britpop artists being heavy drug users, and they didn’t whine about paying 40% tax on their profits), nor did superclub DJ’s / owners / promoters (who would also get some sort of “job” in a dotcom company and file proper accounts so as not to get busted for moneylaundering) – so everything was tolerated for a few years (at one point the UK seemed close to adopting NL-style decriminalisation).

Now those kind of economic boom times are gone the same way as the British Empire or our motor car/electronics industry (and for much the same reasons) so whilst its not as if we are turning completely into a third world nation, people have to exist with less and work harder and live in genuine communities and not everyone is coping too well with that.