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  • links to Erowid are fine here (I think its been linked from the original PV site since it started…)

    the good effect and side effects of the RC’s seem to vary from person to person but that is exactly the same with legitimate drugs used in healthcare (I managed to get an outdated copy of the official NHS approved list of every medicine available in the UK with their indications (what they are used for treating) and side effect/contra indications (when they should not be used).

    I dont get wound up easily, except when i try to skateboard. There was this one time….

    The stuff wasn’t coke by the sound of it that caused your mates symptoms, and the reason why I was hoping for specific examples of someone getting brain zaps as they seem to be called, from any non seretonin based drug, is that I am actually having these symptoms and am looking for a way to remove them. If it can be shown that these symptoms, which i have described very thoroughly, can be caused by a non – seretonin drug, then I will have to look at other ways of dealing with them.

    Thanks for trying to explain further, you were of course never under any obligation to, and so thanks. However, you said that your mate had similar symptoms, but didn’t describe them. You said that they lasted for longer than coke after effects usually last, but didn’t say how long. It’s fine, and you are correct, this is an honest and open site – but have you ever noticed how folks tailor their experiences to fit those of others?

    People on here always ask – how much did you take? how long did it last? what were the effects? how long did the after effects last? If the answers are not specific, then even honest answers convey very little information. So I’m not obsessed, I just want to compare myself with other people, specifically. Thanks again for trying.

    And as for the random swearing, fuck.

    If they are still persisting now, I would see a doctor.

    @bryanWatford 554322 wrote:

    but have you ever noticed how folks tailor their experiences to fit those of others?

    As a clinical psychotherapist specialising in hypnotherapy and NLP: Yes! 😉

    Hi bryanimal I realize I am late to the discussion. Just wondering why some of these Experienced users would not suggest the use of 5-htp and l-dopa. This should help the recovery process.

    There is a separate thread on here about 5-htp. Btw, if you want it to work properly you should combine 5-htp, dpla, L-glutamine and L-tyrosene.

    This is advice from a friend of mine who is a toxicologist.

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