Party Vibe

@tryptameanie 986897 wrote:

I understand what you’re saying but i think we have crossed meanings. While many years ago there may have been less extra shit in pills, containing only MDMA does not make it pure. Batch impurities etc. creep in and only with time and refinement does the quality/purity improve.
People buy crystal MDMA as it’s supposed tio be pure but it obviously isn’t…….

TBH pills in early 90s contained not just MDMA but some MDA and amfetamines – interestingly all the recent research does not mention if these “extras” remain in todays pills; although the feedback from Dutch users some of whom are even moving towards 4-FA hints that they do not and it is just MDMA in these.

I would certainly expect that the purity of all these substances has improved as chemists surely have access to much better equipment than previously – in the same way computers have improved loads over 20 years and with electronics I can easily afford test equipment such as oscilloscopes and digital meters that were way out of my price range in the late 80s/early 90s!

What is happening now is almost like UK Power Networks or Northern Powergrid upgrading an industrial three phase power supply from 230/400V to 400/690V without warning them first, or providing an incoming supply with any of these voltages present and nothing correctly labelled.

In some cases the higher voltage is useful as it can run stronger motors more efficiently, but if you connect 690V to equipment and wiring only designed 400V or 230V; it is very likely to flash over and for things to start on fire. And the people in the building might only want to run a large dishwasher (400V) rather than heavy metalworking equipment (690V) …

they call 4-FA “xtc-lite” in NL, some users prefer it as they can still talk/socialise more than they would on heavy dose MDMA (it is not directly as stimulating as folk might realise, this was the reason why “old skool” pills contained small amounts of amfetamine in them).

With 4-FA (not seen anything about 2-FMA yet) Trimbos warns the risks were initially understated and to beware of increasing headaches after taking it as they can indicate more dangerous health problems, they also cite an increase in blue light admissions to hospital EDs from the use of it.

https://www.trimbos.nl/actueel/nieuws/bericht/?bericht=2107

its also class A in Blighty and has been since 1977 (even before MDMA), I guess 2-FMA is only mildly restricted by PSA and perhaps less harsh on the insides (can’t remember if I ever tried it so don’t really know for sure)

@tryptameanie 986910 wrote:

My guess is that it is class A due to being caught up in the phenethylaminre act where everything in PIHKAL was banned plus as many analogues as could be imagined.

I’d seen 4-FA listed as Class A but not 2-FMA although the above explanation makes sense.

Although even the independent sites give conflicting info and mix up the 1977 Misuse of Drugs Act amendments (that covered the first few halogenated amfetamines) with more recent ones from about 2002-3(?) onwards, enforced by (I think) 2005.

I remember just before then loads of friends in SE England getting considerable amounts of 2-C* type substances via Canada (where they were unrestricted), until predictably people started taking the piss with them/letting underage teenagers buy them via headshops and doors started being knocked.

It certainly wouldn’t have been possible for the UK Home Office to ban stuff from PIHKAL in 1977, as it wasn’t published until 1991!