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@General Lighting 515548 wrote:
a healthy human, whether or not they take drugs does not seriously deteriorate with age until into their late 50s or early 60s.
The comedown is harsher on drone than MDMA, but for any drug the only reason us older users notice it more is because we have more responsibilities and the comedown/recovery period impacts on this. In our younger days someone else was picking up the pieces after us for things we lunched out (parents/co-workers/employers) – also being snappy on comedowns when you are normally a good person does freak out even those close to us.
IMO this is as much (or the real?) reason why drugs control continues more so than the silly politicians..
I would agree on the responsibilities bit, hence why I was only ever a weekend user ( Mostly Friday nights ) to allow time to recover before returning to work, and for most people ( as with my friends ) they stopped taking stuff because they had kids, you simply cant mix drugs/comedowns with looking after little people. Nothing to do with health or legalities, just natural parental instincts.
As for others picking up the pieces in youth, not in my case, I was working and paying my way a week after leaving school, within a year made homeless, forced to buy a flat as I couldnt afford to rent, and had to work ever since else I would be homeless again, so all through my pilling days I had the same responsibilities I do now.
But one the severity of comedowns as I said I always found Drone more severe but shorter, whereas MDMA was less severe but lasted longer.
I grew up and mostly partied in London/SE England and unfortunately would say that in the 90s, “responsible drug users” were in the minority.
However, the relative affluence of these areas in comparison to provincial areas of Britain meant that the rest of society begrudgingly put up with the social problems caused by party drug use.
As a contrast, just a few years after things got out of hand in East Anglia there was (and still remains) an effectively enforced zero tolerance policy (though community distribution and terrain helps – its hard to hide anything or anyone when the area is flat and communities are still fairly close knit and watchful).
I think there was a goodly proportion of people who partied hard all weekend but were straight and sensible during the week, GL. As you say there was an affluence element to it i think but nobody really worried as the casualties didnt seem to be noticable as long as people could turn up and do their jobs at least tuesday to friday ! (tho i know you saw a lot more of what did happen of course).
man i fucking hate drone, too many people i know are addicted to it and are destroying themselves and their lives,, i went through a couple of months caning it pretty hard but i despise the stuff these days and won’t go near it
@Mezz 515564 wrote:
But one the severity of comedowns as I said I always found Drone more severe but shorter, whereas MDMA was less severe but lasted longer.
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Mephe can be similar to that of a coke comedown imo in the sense that it’s short but intense, maybe still not quite as dark as coming down from flakey c tho. still pretty rough, i think it’s more to do with being really active and stimulated for hours on end with no food or sleep that causes most of the shitty feeling IMO.
Just thought I’d update on this as I created this a long-time ago. I think i was more paranoid than anything else when I was taking so much of this stuff. The worst thing with this stuff is not sleeping or eating for 2-3 days, every weekend. The no sleep is what really fucks you up, and when it catches up on you, you feel like complete shit. As-well as If you had this stuff on you, it’s hard to know when to stop, the only way you stop is when you run out. Good to say, I started by cutting down on what I was taking, to barely a gram a weekend until I quit for 5 months or so. I’ve taken a few lines the odd weekend, but it isn’t the same buzz as I use to get, which I’m kind of glad because I’d probably get dragged back into my old ways. After being off it a long period of time, you actually realize how shit you felt when you were taking this drug every weekend. It is very addictive drug, which I’m glad I don’t get the craving for anymore.
thanks for the update yakuza and well done for quitting it … yeah no sleep really does you in …
good for you Yakuza. From what i hear when you really start getting into heavy use of drone, it’s much harder than people think to cut back. I also think it’s not considered a “hard drug” at all, so people start using it with the impression that it’s not especially addictive, but after a while it becomes more than what seems just a relatively innocent substance with a great high. And agreed, lack of sleep really does take it’s toll on the body
@Yakuza 538779 wrote:
Just thought I’d update on this as I created this a long-time ago. I think i was more paranoid than anything else when I was taking so much of this stuff. The worst thing with this stuff is not sleeping or eating for 2-3 days, every weekend. The no sleep is what really fucks you up, and when it catches up on you, you feel like complete shit. As-well as If you had this stuff on you, it’s hard to know when to stop, the only way you stop is when you run out. Good to say, I started by cutting down on what I was taking, to barely a gram a weekend until I quit for 5 months or so. I’ve taken a few lines the odd weekend, but it isn’t the same buzz as I use to get, which I’m kind of glad because I’d probably get dragged back into my old ways. After being off it a long period of time, you actually realize how shit you felt when you were taking this drug every weekend. It is very addictive drug, which I’m glad I don’t get the craving for anymore.
Glad to hear you quit succesfuly mate, its f***** hard ain’t it? I hate the ‘ghost rushes’ you get at first.
Like you said though, after a few weeks of not taking it it amazes me how good I feel naturally, it really destroys your mind and body.
It was hard concisering the people I hang around with at the weekend are taking it in front of me. It’s just having the will-power to say no, which is the hardest thing. I agree when I first started taking it, I was like ‘Its legal, no big deal.’ I never seen a problem with it, until i realised i was taking serious amounts of it, along with getting random pains, sore heads everyday and the cold/runny nose all year round that I seen how dirty and bad this drug is. I agree, It really does destroy your mind and body. The worst thing is that Mephedrone is so easy got, and nearly every drug dealer supplys it. It was an experience.
i got a friend whos big on the drone, doing half ounces in a sitting not sleeping for 4 days his girlfriends even more brutal she hadnt slept for 9 days once like wtf. doing gram lines. surely it gets to that stage and you think well…. maybe i should atleast cut down haha fuck doing gram lines of any drug whats the point. people can do what they want obviously, i can barely handle a half gram of mandy and i’ve seen them do 10 grams of drone half gram of mdma and 2 grams of speed on a night out. haha i just love sleep to much i reckon. some people are just animals ive got another friend who did a 2 1/2 gram line of ketamine ha crazy ass people.
@Psybastian 538947 wrote:
i got a friend whos big on the drone, doing half ounces in a sitting not sleeping for 4 days his girlfriends even more brutal she hadnt slept for 9 days once like wtf. doing gram lines. surely it gets to that stage and you think well…. maybe i should atleast cut down haha fuck doing gram lines of any drug whats the point. people can do what they want obviously [/quote]
to an extent yes but the moment they do something stupid what affects others through their sleep deprivation or mental health issues (such as lash out at a friend/partner, perform so badly at work it affects others (such as a big error what costs a sale) or crash their cars) then wider society has every right to judge them, its why more harmless party drugs are controlled in the first place because my generation fucked up in this manner too (albeit on a smaller scale)
Quote:, i can barely handle a half gram of mandy and i’ve seen them do 10 grams of drone half gram of mdma and 2 grams of speed on a night out. haha i just love sleep to much i reckon.
or you are smart enough to realise that if you keep things moderate you can party until 30 or 40 or even beyond.
Whereas todays the caners will be burned out by age 25 and unable to take any drugs without getting really paranoid/ill, and worse although they won’t die or get brain damage many will find normal life completely boring and unsatisfying and thus be plagued with despair to the point of low level mental illness….
@General Lighting 538948 wrote:
to an extent yes but the moment they do something stupid what affects others through their sleep deprivation or mental health issues (such as lash out at a friend/partner, perform so badly at work it affects others (such as a big error what costs a sale) or crash their cars) then wider society has every right to judge them, its why more harmless party drugs are controlled in the first place because my generation fucked up in this manner too (albeit on a smaller scale)
or you are smart enough to realise that if you keep things moderate you can party until 30 or 40 or even beyond.
Whereas todays the caners will be burned out by age 25 and unable to take any drugs without getting really paranoid/ill, and worse although they won’t die or get brain damage many will find normal life completely boring and unsatisfying and thus be plagued with despair to the point of low level mental illness….
Yeah completely agree with you, i said it could lead to getting insomnia, we went to a party where he drove and they were doing lines of mdma on the drive home with no sleep for 3 days, and i can see they are tripping out from sleep deprivation. after that night i’ve found it hard to trust drivers who get fucked and drive home with passengers i just couldn’t take the risk ever. we have had a friend die in a car crash coming back from a free party, would of thought it would of made an impact to future actions. oh well i learn from mine and other peoples mistakes.
peace
Personally I think the worst long term effect of Drone was it gave credibility back to Research Chems / Herbal Highs ( which were joke before Drone ), this has led to many people switching from MDMA to Drone when it was legal ( which is far more harmful than MDMA ), and trying other legals which are far more harmful than either
Drone is shit, if you can get decent M.D. there’s basically no excuse for buying this stuff since it became a controlled substance.
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