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  • To me an active rig is one which uses an active crossover not one with amps in the cabs – this is where the confusion is coming from [to me a speaker with an amp built in is a powered speaker and I dont like them much]

    I split my signal before the amp stage [ie after the mixing desk] using the xovers so I do not send anything to a speaker’s amp which is not relevant to its frequency range. The cabs are specially built to thiele-small parameters so as to make the best possible use of their peak frequencies [on the charts you get from the manufacturers] and the cabs are built to complement each other as well as possible. The signal to each speaker is therefore specific to the cabs range and focussed in its range so the amps are only amplifying that narrow signal and can do so more efficiently [ie I am not wasting power amplifying signal I wont be using]

    The passive xover is placed after the amp in the signal chain which means that the amp is amplifying the full range signal coming from the source whatever it may be. The signal is then fed to the speaker where a passive xover filters out the bits of the signal the drivers arent going to be reproducing. A large part of the amplified signal is therefore junked wasting amplifier power used on it.

    Its all about efficiency and making one of the most inefficient power uses as efficient as possible – averagely with a passive rig you will get 1-2% power use efficiency as compared to an active one which you can achieve up to 4% efficiency depending on how well it was built….

    Another benefit of the active xover is being able to use gain control on the specific parts of the signal being fed to each speaker range which means tight control over how much high, high mid, low mid and bass [in our case] is being played rather than the blunt instrument which is the passive filter which merely chops off the unwanted bits….

    Lookin at a Pevey xover to put into an amprack were building. Any cop?

    Can you give me a link please or a model number?

    MrAHC wrote:
    Lookin at a Pevey xover to put into an amprack were building. Any cop?

    Peavey xovers are pretty good (pretty much all active xovers these days use a similar design – 4th order Linkwitz/Riley crossover network, and will have all the necessary control options).

    Don’t forget to read the bit in the manual about phase alignment though (you will be doing this every time you set up, so it’s useful to have it committed to memory…:crazy_diz)

    Raj wrote:
    To me an active rig is one which uses an active crossover not one with amps in the cabs – this is where the confusion is coming from [to me a speaker with an amp built in is a powered speaker and I dont like them much]

    Ah righty well usually active means that the amp is self contained and pssive means it is not. Also surely that makes no difference to the volume an active x-over just gives you more control.

    Surely if you were to use the same system and have passive x-overs installed with the correct cutoff frequencies for that particular soundsystem then you would get the same if not similar volumes as having an active x-over. I don’t get where you think signal is being wasted. The signal is split between the different drive units or speakers, as below.

    Passive%20crossover-500w.jpg

    Anyway at the end of the day it still depends on what speakers you use. If you biamp a pair of peavey blackwidows you’ll still get pissed on by a porn horn with a passive x-over (should that person chosen to put one in).

    elretardo87 wrote:
    Ah righty well usually active means that the amp is self contained and pssive means it is not. Also surely that makes no difference to the volume an active x-over just gives you more control.

    Surely if you were to use the same system and have passive x-overs installed with the correct cutoff frequencies for that particular soundsystem then you would get the same if not similar volumes as having an active x-over. I don’t get where you think signal is being wasted. The signal is split between the different drive units or speakers, as below.

    Passive%20crossover-500w.jpg

    Anyway at the end of the day it still depends on what speakers you use. If you biamp a pair of peavey blackwidows you’ll still get pissed on by a porn horn with a passive x-over (should that person chosen to put one in).

    Actually, the term passive has 2 meanings – the first is when applied to a full system, and is usually in reference to the crossover network used. The second is applied to a speaker, when it is used in reference to having an amp contained within the speaker (it’s all pretty confusing, and is mis-used regularly making it even more so).

    The signal wastage with a passive crossover is from several places – the first of which is the fact that the signal is split, and then filtered after amplification. The most basic form of passive has a HPF installed before the tweeter in order to protect the tweeter from low frequencies (which would destroy it), and full range being sent to the woofer. The most common form of crossover has a LPF installed before the woofer (in order to filter out frequencies that the speaker is inefficient at reproducing)… With an active matrix, you do the filtering before amplifying (and can balance the signal before you send it).

    The second place that the passive is less efficient is in the fact that the more complex (and more efficient) filter designs have serious problems with summing distortion when used as passive crossovers. The practical effect of this is that most passive crossover networks employ 1st or 2nd order Butterworth filters. An active matrix generally uses 4th order Linkwitz/Riley filters (resulting in a far steeper cutoff slope, and generally more efficiency – less of the wrong frequencies are fed to the wrong speakers).

    The 3rd major place that actives produce more efficient usage of power is in the fact that they can be “tuned” to a particular space – this is a fairly complex subject, and I will be going in to it in the sound system thread I’m planning, but suffice to say the ability to tune to your environment is one of the most powerful aspects of active crossovers (and no, it is not the same as EQ’ing)….

    If passives were able to reproduce the same efficiency as actives, then there would be no need for actives (they are after all a pain in the rear to set up). The reason we use them is because they are more efficient (and with amplifying sound, efficiency is the main aim).

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