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  • Bit of a cheek bearing in mind they don’t even record suicides of veterans.

    BBC News – UK soldier and veteran suicides ‘outstrip Afghan deaths’

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    [h=1]Afghan deaths'[/h]_68702120_dancollinsinarmyfatigues.jpgAfter serving in Afghanistan, L/Sgt Dan Collins was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder
    Continue reading the main story[h=2]Related Stories[/h]

    More British soldiers and veterans took their own lives in 2012 than died fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan over the same period.
    BBC Panorama learned that 21 serving soldiers killed themselves last year, along with 29 veterans.
    The Afghanistan death toll was 44, of whom 40 died in action.
    Some of the soldiers’ families say the men did not get enough support. The Ministry of Defence (MoD) said every suicide was a “tragedy”.
    The Panorama programme obtained the figure of 21 through a Freedom of Information request to the MoD.
    The MoD said that rates of suicide and post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) within the serving military were lower than comparative rates in the civilian population.
    Seven serving soldiers have been confirmed as having killed themselves last year, and inquests are pending for a further 14 deaths where suicide is suspected.
    The British government, unlike its American counterpart, does not record the suicide rate among ex-soldiers.
    But Panorama has independently established that at least 29 veterans took their own lives in 2012.
    It wrote to every coroner in the country to ask for the names of soldiers and veterans who killed themselves last year and also analysed newspaper reports of coroners’ inquests.
    ‘Hell on earth’One serving soldier who killed himself was L/Sgt Dan Collins, who had fought in Operation Panther’s Claw in Helmand province, Afghanistan, in the summer of 2009.
    _68702322_deanacollins.jpgDeana Collins, the mother of L/Sgt Collins, said her son was a “victim of war”
    L/Sgt Collins, a Welsh Guardsman, twice survived being shot and was blown off his feet by a roadside bomb.
    His friend, L/Cpl Dane Elson, was blown to pieces just yards away from him.
    L/Sgt Collins’s mother Deana had noticed a difference in her son during his time in Afghanistan.
    Continue reading the main story[h=2]Number of suicides, open verdicts and suspected suicides awaiting inquests among serving soldiers[/h]

    • 2010 – 7
    • 2011 – 15
    • 2012 – 21

    Source: Ministry of Defence

    “The phone calls changed and I remember him telling me, ‘Mum, this place is hell on earth and I just want to get out of here’,” she said.
    After a six-month tour, L/Sgt Collins came home, returning to his girlfriend Vicky Roach’s house.
    Miss Roach said: “Obviously then I started noticing things. Nightmares were the main thing. It was pretty clear he was back there reliving everything.”
    Return to dutyThe Army diagnosed L/Sgt Collins with PTSD.
    _68702125_dancollinsrelaxedwithoutshirt.jpgL/Sgt Dan Collins’s name is not engraved on the wall at the National Memorial Arboretum
    After 10 months of intermittent treatment, the Army told L/Sgt Collins he had recovered and would soon be ready to return to duty.
    Over the next three months, he twice tried to kill himself.
    He started missing his weekly NHS appointments and told his girlfriend his flashbacks were getting worse.
    “I wanted to help him but I didn’t know what to do,” said Miss Roach. “It takes a toll on your relationship and I just asked him to leave.”
    On New Year’s Eve in 2011, L/Sgt Collins left her house, put on his Army uniform, and drove into the Preseli mountains in Pembrokeshire.
    He recorded a farewell video on his phone and then hanged himself. He was 29. The inquest into his death is still to be held.
    A ‘natural response’Clinical psychologist Dr Claudia Herbert said PTSD is the body’s “natural response” to distressing events.
    It can take years to emerge but is treatable if caught early. Symptoms include flashbacks, severe anxiety and depression.
    Continue reading the main story[h=2]Darren’s story[/h]Darren Booker, a Welsh Guardsman, was disturbed by what he had experienced in Afghanistan.
    He said: “I went into camp one morning and I just broke down. So they took me to the doctor’s and he said you might have PTSD.”
    An appointment was arranged but he missed it because he was on paternity leave. When he left the Army in January 2011, he had not been formally diagnosed with PTSD and then became chronically depressed.
    “I’d feel suicidal every day,” he said. “I probably didn’t leave the house properly for about a year.”
    He applied for compensation from the Army but it was refused because he had never been formally diagnosed with PTSD.
    He has been unable to work since so his partner must support him and their three children.

    The MoD said 2.9% of serving soldiers developed PTSD, which is lower than the general population.
    The number of soldiers with PTSD has more than doubled in the past three years among those who served in Afghanistan, according to MoD figures obtained via Panorama’s FOI request.
    But Dr Herbert said: “Post-traumatic stress disorder in itself should not lead to suicide.”
    “PTSD is a condition that indicates something has deeply disturbed the system and is a warning that the system needs help and needs to regulate again.”
    Nobody can be sure how many of the 21 soldiers and 29 veterans who took their own lives in 2012 were suffering from PTSD as the reasons for suicide are complex.
    “The evidence suggests there’s more of a problem than the government and the MoD are admitting to,” said Colonel Stuart Tootal, a former commander of 3 Para.
    The former head of the British army, General Sir Richard Dannatt, wants the suicide rate among veterans to be monitored.
    “It’s pretty clear to me that it should be happening because once you have some statistics you can start to do something about it,” he said.
    ‘Victims of war’The MoD said it was not prepared to talk about individual cases but has committed £7.4m to ensure there is extensive mental health support in place for everyone who needs it.
    It said 134,780 soldiers have been deployed to Afghanistan since 2001.
    Continue reading the main story[h=2]Number of soldiers with initial diagnosis of PTSD who served in Afghanistan[/h]

    • 2009 – 108
    • 2010 – 180
    • 2011 – 183
    • 2012 – 231

    Source: Ministry of Defence

    The National Memorial Arboretum in Staffordshire honours the military casualties of every conflict since WWII.
    The names of soldiers who killed themselves in Afghanistan are engraved on the wall but those who took their own lives after returning home are not mentioned.
    L/Sgt Collins was a serving soldier at the time of his death on 1 January 2012 but his name will not be on the memorial.
    “It’s heartbreaking because Daniel would have been so proud to have his name carved somewhere,” said Mrs Collins.
    “Soldiers with PTSD are exactly the same. They’re victims of war and they should be treated exactly the same.”

    I head this on the news not long ago. Very sad 🙁

    The rates of PTSD are probably higher among civilians as there is a greater number of civilians..

    @Deez 551968 wrote:

    The rates of PTSD are probably higher among civilians as there is a greater number of civilians..

    Makes sense.

    But it’s bound to be higher if you don’t actually bother recording the data for troops out of service. You cannot score less than zero, which appears to be the MODs preferred data method (don’t see it, it doesn’t exist).

    It’s like saying there are no criminal judges. Because technically you can’t be criminal and a judge, but you can only be a criminal and stop being a judge at the point of which you are convicted of a crime. Until then, no data gets collected and when it IS collected, the judge isn’t a judge, they are an EX-judge.

    @Deez 551968 wrote:

    The rates of PTSD are probably higher among civilians as there is a greater number of civilians..

    NOT TRUE. The rate depends on the numbers having PTSD versus the total number of a group.

    The number of PTSD cases in total among civilians are bound to be higher (60 odd million versus 100,000 in the Army, most of whom are not infantry front line troops).

    PTSD does not have an incubation period as such. Rather a threshold of mental trauma above which psychosis is much more likely.

    Add in the fact that an ex-soldier is suddenly not counted as a member of the armed forces, even if the mental trauma occurred while they were serving, and you can understand why I am disgusted with the MODs completely ignorant and insensitive attitude.

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