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February 3, 2007 at 2:34 pm

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timid rabbit

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Islam youths are ‘rejecting UK’

MORE than 100,000 young UK Muslimshold extremist or anti-British beliefs, a shock report suggests today.

Tens of thousands think Muslims who switch religions should be punished by death.

More than a third want Taliban-style Sharia law, which regards women rape victims as guilty and says adulterers should be killed by stoning.

And more than one in ten of the 16 to 24-year-olds polled “admire” Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda and other terror groups.

The survey was carried out last month for centre-right think tank Policy Exchange.
Census figures show there are about 320,000 British Muslims in the age group polled — suggesting 100,000 are rejecting British values and culture.

The poll found three-quarters think women should cover their whole face with a veil. Four out of ten plan to send their kids to Islamic-only schools.

The Policy Exchange report says: “There is a growing religiosity amongst the younger generation of Muslims.

“They feel they have less in common with non-Muslims and show a stronger preference for Islamic schools and Sharia law.”

Security chiefs have warned ministers that Britain is almost certainly facing another terror strike by home-grown fanatics.

The poll reveals only six per cent of youngsters believe the Muslim Council of Britain represents their views.

That is a huge blow to Tony Blair who believes the body can play an important part in improving

Taken from: http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007040620,00.html
February 3, 2007 at 2:59 pm

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General Lighting

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its worrying but worth remembering this is 100,000 out of about 1.5 million Muslims in the UK (there are roughly as many as there are Catholics) so its not a major percentage.

I reckon (and this is more worrying IMO) that if you polled any group of “angry young men ” with a strong sense of group identity and their self-importance – whether they were Muslims, or members of any race or even suburban kids who think they are “ghetto youth” and got truthful answers from them you’d find a similar proportion of these young men with “extremist” views.

They maybe wouldn’t support Sharia law but I get the impression a lot of younger lads from all races/cultures seem to have less respect for womens rights, (or the rights of anyone they don’t agree with) and are far more prepared to use violence to achieve their desires.

If they don’t look up to terrorists they certainly look up to cultural icons of “hard men” and “fighters”, and are becoming less tolerant to others who don’t fit the ideals of their “community”, whether its by race, gender, lifestyle etc; and if they can overpower or control people they will do so, unless or until a conventional authority (such as the criminal justice system or security services) intervenes…

harsh, but thats the way I am seeing society go…
February 3, 2007 at 3:15 pm

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miss bassets

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ok i kno this may sound racist but thats not my intention, if they feel that way about the uk n the way things r done here, y do they continue to live here n more n more everyday emigrate here even tho they openly admit thier heavy dislike of our culture, n wot im beginning to c is non muslims showing less compassion n consideration for the muslim community because if they cant respect our values then y shud we respect thiers, the racism card had been played enuff time to wake up to the real issues
February 3, 2007 at 3:31 pm

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i wonder how many white british people hold extreme “anti-british” beleifs? i certainly do, i think any reasonable person can see that britain in terms of its internation position and foreign policy is hiddeously corrupt, aggressive and greedy. i dont see why someone should leave a country just because they hate the government. i dont think the muslims actually hate britons per se, but more what this country represents to teh rest of teh world, which is fair enough.

in many ways i am “anti-british” if that means questioning the way our country is run. im sure that by the same token raves could be seen as “anti-british”. i dont thik its a very helpful term, and smacks of McCarthy era “anti-american” witch hunts. part of a healthy democracy is a constant questioning of the state in which we live. muslims have brought a fresh perspective on british life, and i for one welcome that.
February 3, 2007 at 6:06 pm

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miss bassets

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i for 2 welcome that! lol, thas exactly how i feel but i was on bout the belief women shud wear viels people hu comit adultery shud b stoned to death ect, as much as i dislike our goverment n aspects of our culture i wud b a part of it a hundred times over if it ment the death penelty ect neva became a part of it agen,its the people hu dispise our culture and hate what the uk may represent but still choose to cum here in search of a beter life that get my goat, i duno the point im tryin to make sounds much beter in my head
February 3, 2007 at 7:14 pm

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globalloon

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miss bassets wrote:

its the people hu dispise our culture and hate what the uk may represent but still choose to cum here in search of a beter life that get my goat

that makes no sense at all

there is a lot about this country that i despise; starting wars for oil, the way asylum seekers are treated, trade policies that help to keep two thirds of the world hungry, ever decreasing personal liberty

but i continue to live here because i have a pretty good quality of life

the fact that someone from another country chooses to come here and work hard to live a better life doesn’t mean they automatically have to agree with every aspect of british culture / society. we’re such a divided society anyway that that would be impossible

i duno the point im tryin to make sounds much beter in my head

that’s probably because it’s not a logical thought
February 4, 2007 at 1:39 am

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globalloon

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i think this is relevant

http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/christmastruce.htm

how much of your fear about other people is based on personal experience? hjow much is based on what you have read (written by people with a strong agenda for hate)?
February 4, 2007 at 4:04 am

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miss bassets

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my fear of other people ?? hahaha naaaaaaaaaaa
February 4, 2007 at 11:30 am

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globalloon

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miss bassets wrote:

my fear of other people ?? hahaha naaaaaaaaaaa

fear of some unknown intention of some vague group you haven’t met but feel sure must be out there waiting to do some kind of wrong. it must be true cos it said so on ther news
February 4, 2007 at 2:46 pm

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miss bassets

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uhhhhhhhhh nope think ya got the rong end of me stick like
February 4, 2007 at 3:46 pm

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globalloon

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miss bassets wrote:

uhhhhhhhhh nope think ya got the rong end of me stick like

so what are you saying? to me it looked like you’re saying people have to agree with british people to come and live here
February 7, 2007 at 11:53 pm

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miss bassets

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no not agree with the british, dif opinions add a much needed diversity, but im speakin from personal experience wher iv met peeps hu’v cum here for a beter life, studying ect n they hold no respect for the uk by thier own admission, i dont agree with a hell of a lot our country stands for but im still hold a respect for the place and im grateful i live here because its givin me privliges i wudnt hav had otherwise.

i wud guess that the majority of peeps hu live here regardless of origin disagree with a lot of stuff that our goverment does n that shud b sumthing we unite over n we must if we ever want things to change. the negitivity that peeps feel towards our country is dividing us.
February 8, 2007 at 10:01 am

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General Lighting

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miss bassets wrote:

i wud guess that the majority of peeps hu live here regardless of origin disagree with a lot of stuff that our goverment does n that shud b sumthing we unite over n we must if we ever want things to change. the negitivity that peeps feel towards our country is dividing us.

exactly – look at what is happening at the moment; it seems that random individuals who disagree with the policy of certain organisations are sending bombs to their staff, hurting others who can’t make a change to policy anyway (post room staff don’t have a lot of power in corporate circles..)
February 9, 2007 at 1:11 am

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I’d take anything reported by the sun with a pinch of salt personally, and doubly so when they are quoting from the findings of a centre right “think tank” (bit of an oxymoron IMO…:wink:)

The report is based on a stastistical survey, and statistics is the art of lying by numbers (you can make the numbers say anything if you have an agenda – starting out with a supposition and then finding the data to support it is not terribly hard, and is responsible for many “proven” theorems that are in fact complete toss – the scientist has started by saying “I believe X, so will experiment to prove it”, and by doing so broken the cardinal rule of science – Objectivity…)

If you wanted to prove that young people in the UK were all E heads and love partying you go and conduct your poll outside dance clubs, or do it on PV or somesuch… Then you ask leading or ambiguous questions (“Do you think all E heads should be jailed” – likely to get a no from most non E heads as well).

The stuff about faith only schools though – something I’ve never agreed with. Schools that have children from one religious group only are an entirely evil invention IMO – no parent should force their child to believe in their religion, and indoctrinating them at such an early age, using their education to guide them down a particular path is entirely wrong. Religious belief is a personal thing (mostly because they are generally pretty whacky :wink:), and children should be allowed to grow up, and make their own decisions about their beliefs. Indoctrinating them seems to me the act of someone who is scared that their own beliefs are proper whacky, and won’t be shared by their children without proper “guidance”.
April 18, 2007 at 12:03 pm

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Quoting timid_rabbit ‘s original post:

“Tens of thousands think Muslims who switch religions should be punished by death.”

I’ve never met any that think that.

“More than a third want Taliban-style Sharia law, which regards women rape victims as guilty”

* That is a really serious thing to say, do you have any quotes from any source texts? You shouldn’t make stuff like this up about anyone, nor pass it around, if it’s not true. *

“And more than one in ten of the 16 to 24-year-olds polled “admire” Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda and other terror groups.”

I wonder why “admire” is put in inverted commas. Did they actually use the word “admire”. Nah, the ones l know don’t think that, they either like cruising in their cars at weekends after work or they are starting families and want a future for themselves. A bit like everyone else. Have you ever personally, in real life, met anyone that thinks that? This is pure venom you’re spitting out.

“The survey was carried out last month for centre-right think tank Policy Exchange.”

Rrrright.

“The poll found three-quarters think women should cover their whole face with a veil.”

3/4? I don’t think so. The vast majority see it as voluntary or they just reject it outright.

“Four out of ten plan to send their kids to Islamic-only schools.”

Nah, they mostly want grammar schools and then medical schools at uni. Or engineering degrees, the boring gits. Anyway, there are lots of Roman Catholic, Anglican, Jewish etc. schools. I think Oxford and Cambridge were originally Anglican schools.

You need to stop treating tabloids as encyclopaedias.

The kind of stuff you’ve been saying in this and other posts really bothers me, timid_rabbit, sorry. I seem to remember that lots of muslim women and girls got systematically raped in Yugoslavia. And they are among the lucky ones. The others got burnt alive and crazy sh*t like that, so for someone to then accuse such victims of the very same crimes a few years later, it doesn’t matter what newspaper you’re quoting from, are your quotes based on facts? Please, l really need to see some quotes from religious texts saying that a woman that has been raped is guilty, and that it’s only the women that get stoned for adultery.

I thought dance music started from Acid House, and one of the slogans of the Acid House movement was that it bought all religions and walks of life together. Not that it was a religious or spiritual movement, it just made everyone special. These kinds of postings are the antithesis of the roots of the movement.
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