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I doubt it. And did they say “oi, l just thought l’d mention, l’ve got no respect for the UK”.
It’s true, a lot of Asians, muslims in particular, are ghetto-ised. They make a point of dressing as a means of identifying with another country. They should just avoid living in the UK if they reject the country so much. It’s also true that they never asked for multilingual leaflets and roadsigns and holocaust denial. That’s just a hatchet job by some sarcy white politician. It encourages racism, most of them being Asian.
I think Britain should stop inviting backward peasants into the UK and then saying “arrrgh they’re invading, arrrgh look at ’em, they’re so different”. The authorities should either not invite them at all, or should be more selective in who is invited. But inviting them and then splattering them with prejudice is just wrong. I really don’t see how immigrants can be blamed for coming to the UK as if they planned the whole thing themselves. It’s the authorities that invites them.
It’s not something Timid_rabbit have written..It’s from an article in The Sun Online..
Just to point that out
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007040620,00.html
There was a link in the top of the page!!!!
I know, and l accounted for that in the original message.
Anyway, l’d really like to see this rape quote in a source text.
I think a lot of young Asian men have tried to integrate, found themselves being knocked back by various forms of prejudice from both white and older Asian people with traditional religious/cultural views, and then “fight back” by forming these militant groups which are really no different from any other criminal gang organisation that “represents their ends”.
This problem was about in the early 1990s, (there were militant Muslim groups in my university, they even tried to recruit me when I was going through a bad time in my life and was about to leave the place anyway. Of course I turned them down as I preferred partying, drugs and my wide group of friends from all races and cultures..
The groups were mainly comprised of young men from Pakistan and similar countries, who were basically “street gangsters with A-levels and degrees”. They used (and probably still use) a number of tactics ranging from street robbery to credit card fraud and theft of high value motor cars (using the IT skills they learned in their courses!) to fund their activities.
The movement towards extreme violence such as the use of IEDs and terrorist acts is however very recent, and has definitely been fuelled by tensions caused by the Iraq war.
the Asian community themselves warned the British authorities several times about these groups and were either ignored, or the authorities did not make the connection between the criminal gangs and militancy, so the problem was left to fester for a generation, I’m hardly surprised there are now serious problems today.
OTOH Like I said you’d probably find many young men of any race/religion/culture who are prepared to use violence and agreession in their lives, and many do unless they find better alternatives or are thwarted by law enforcement or security forces.
Also there is still a lot of envy, as British Asian businesspeople are now competing hard in the marketplace, winning and many have a lot of money and power – there are many who never liked this in the first place and are really angry now.
Because of this global competition and outsourcing/offshoring “positive multiculturalism” (i.e genuine acceptance of people from other countries/cultures) is IMO under a lot of threat – 5-10 years ago you would never have had ravers complaining so much about immigrants, but when they are being made redundant due to their jobs going to other countries many of even the most “right-on” people eventually get angry and hateful.
I did already make explicit most of what you wrote in that message, GeneralLighting, l think.
What l’m saying is: there are some, especially in the first generations of immigrants, that are not integrated. They were invited over thinking it would be all hunkydory, they weren’t told that they needed to make adjustments to suit a new environment. The end result was that much of the local UK population didn’t like them, and they themselves probably didn’t enjoy life in the UK. But people can’t just solely pile the blame on the immigrants. In fact, like l said, most of the blame would be attributed to the polititians that invited them, for not being selective in who they bought over. I think America is much more stringent.
And that is all the more relevant now, when jobs are in short supply etc. But it’s just not an excuse for people to hate immigrants. There’s not enough reason to. Hate is a really strong thing that can’t be spewed out without good cause.
Oh and as for racism, l feel people should be allowed to think and feel whatever they want, be it anti or pro, as long as it can be reasoned through. Lack of reason = ignorance. It’s ignorance of the actualities of the situation that l am protesting at here. The intricacies, the ins and outs. People just saying the immigrants are rapists, they have hijacked the UK, etc. If it’s true then it’s true. But is it true? Has anyone actually found out the facts for themselves or are they just being armchair haters?
From what l’ve seen on the internet so far, it’s been the latter. So much hate flying around these days. It’s just sad. I don’t mean to sound self-righteous. But to me, hating takes real effort, l just find it hard to hate, so l’m always shocked at how easily other people hate, for the flimsiest of reasons. I don’t consider myself to be a do-gooder, l just find the level of hate on the streets these days really difficult to attain in my own self.
there are some wider and more complex issues though, firstly I don’t think many are aware of how this problem was ignored by three successive governments throughout the 90s, plus I think it goes wider than just “lack of integration”.
I agree with you there is more hate about, but I actually think a lot of this hate isn’t even really due to race or religion, but the ruthless competitiveness of modern society today.
No one really cared about what Muslims did until they started going bang on the streets of London, and young Muslims didn’t start blowing themselves up in Western nations until these nations repeatedly started engaging in military action to secure oil resources.
you even this hate and competitiveness it on the dance scene. Not terrorist bombs of course, it usually stops at CS gas attacks on venues, but you do see the stuff like angry faces, lads who always want a fight and DJ’s trying to sabotage each others sets….
Yerrrrr… l never used to understand why people needed to be nasty on booze when l was a teenager, but now l’ve found myself saying the daftest things and doing the most abhorrent stuff when drunk, e.g. weeing several times on my way home from a club, in alleyways, and even being tempted to wee on someone’s parked bike, and being tempted to karate kick a car window and then run off (lucky l didn’t, l don’t think it would’ve been hard for the owner to rush out and catch up with me, staggering all over the place).
Mixmag once did an article called “Booze in the house” (as opposed to “Who’s in the house”) in the mid-90s, astutely commenting on how the breweries had taken over from the pill dealers.
DJs sabotaging each other’s sets? That’s dark. I know that there is a lot of antagonism between rival soundsystems in Jamaica, so l suppose, like the musical influences, that aspect would reach here too.
Anyway, l’m going to start a new thread, bye!
i am a muslim and i personely think i am the most intergrated muslim in the uk . i have the most amount of respect for my fellow britts who respect me . and even the ones that dont respect me i will give them a chance to get to know me then make up there mind . but i still feel pissed at our goverment and our media just like millions of other britts . but just because i am a muslim who feels like that then i am put in to a statistic by the media and and some elements of society. what the problem is in the uk is arrogence people dont really understand islam the media only writes and shows all the negative people and things and the common people just see that part of it. you can compare it to the freeparty people you never hear the media report saying anything positive about the partys so the rest of society think that we are all drug taking scum who have no jobs or values i own 3 of my own businesses employ about 27 people when i tell some of my customers what i do on my weekends they say i didnt think you would be in too all of that . then i tell them the reason why i go to freeparties all the positive thing then they understand better . thats what everybody should do get to understand islam a bit better. there allways so much negative stuff about woman in islam but muslims treat and respect there women just as more then any other society or culture . i wish i had a chance to sit in a room with lots of people and chat with them then i would be able to explain everything a lot better . a lot of people in this forum have a lot more understanding than most people in mainstream society anyway.
well said – you remind me a lot of of a former work colleague who is Muslim and was once a raver but calmed down due to family/work (not religious) commitments – and indeed from talking to him I learned a lot about what Islam is really like and how the terrorism/crime was the work of a small minority (and of course religious criminals/terrorists have existed for many years, they still cause problems in Ireland and even occasionally in mainland Britain).
I am British Asian but not Muslim (although I did briefly have a Catholic upbringing) and I think that British Asians as a whole are often widely misunderstood, or often hated/envied because we as a community have gained a lot of political and economic power through our own hard work, and a set of shared values and morals (which are common to but not exclusive to the Asian community…)
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