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@!sinner69! 435999 wrote:
those problems started after she had been on it for 25 years…thats along time, but you are right what she have been caning/injecting before she was put on M might have caused the latter problem but anyway why cant you be able to choose? as you say the damage of medicine quality morph or H is second to non to the body. Our other friend on here didnt get the good out M of as you do, people are different and should be treated individual.
…but you are the expert on this subject so I wont argue on this but only point out that i think That people should be able to go with the drug of their choice and not what everybody else think or want you to take when you are addicted. For me the goal must be to make people able to live a full filled live despite their addiction.
You are indeed right my friend not everyone respond’s well to methadone just as some do not respond well to subutex or suboxone there is currently a debate going on in the UK at the moment because methadone is viewed as the holy grail when it comes to heroin substitution and everyone seems to be prescribed it to begin with no matter what and then tapered to suboxone as they reduce their daily dose right down to zero.
I don’t agree the user should be given the choice as to what substitute they are prescribed as I would imagine 9 out of 10 heroin addicts would ask to be prescribed heroin rather then methadone however I do believe doctors should prescribe to the individuals needs rather then this blanket prescription of methadone for all.
Hopefully in time we will see prescribing practices improve in this area to do just that.
Your post has given me a great idea on my next poll for my website.
Should user’s be given a choice of what opiate replacement they are prescribed?
@SRM86 436000 wrote:
ive tried both. the reason i stopped the methadone is becos it is just as bad,it literally rots u frm the inside, i have friends who r on it n have been 4 yearz..their teeth r completly rotton, itz discusting. but in saying that atleast their not out scoring everyday n sticking a needle up their armz. the way i c it iz the H is just az bad az methadone so i’d rather use H or morf. i wish so bad i didnt have 2 use at all but until i have the strength 2 go cold turkey i really have no choice. Fucked up aint it
Can you please inform me of where/who told you methadone rots you from the inside as you have been informed wrong this is not the case with the opiate in question both short & long term methadone does not destroy the body whatsoever as proved in my post above from a legitmate website about the myths surrounding methadone use.
Moving on to the bit about rotting teeth it is the lifestyle people lead that causes rotting teeth for example eating surgery snacks/drinks (which is very common among opiate users), lack of personal hygiene and the only real factor related to methadone being that it can make you have a dry mouth. This can make your teeth more prone to the production of plaque, which is a major cause of gum disease and tooth decay. To protect your teeth, follow the dental routine recommended for everyone: brush and floss every day, rinse your mouth with mouthwash, go to the dentist at least twice a year, and cut sugar from your diet. Drinking plenty of water can also help to relieve dry mouth.
Whoever is telling you it rots your body/teeth is seriously misinforming you and maybe you should give methadone another try just make sure you follow the tips above to avoid rotting teeth as for your body & organs you have nothing to worry about my friend.
I had to google a bit to get more educated and the experts are not convinced that you are right but as a treatment to keep people out of street drugs and try to get them into a more stabile life its good but withdrawal is another case…
Withdrawal symptoms have shown to be up to twice as severe than those of morphine or heroin at equivalent doses and are significantly more prolonged; methadone withdrawal symptoms can last for several weeks or more. A general guideline is a 1:1 ratio for trouble free detox. Being on a constant dose of say 100 mg. for one year, can take 18–24 months for safe detoxification. At high maintenance doses, sudden cessation of therapy can result in withdrawal symptoms described as “the worst withdrawal imaginable,” lasting from weeks to month
and there are certain longterm effects that many have experienced so my friend was not wrong..others do not have those so its down to how the individual body takes it…so all is good about the methadone is wrong to say
I think the real problem is that even in our modern countries with public funded healthcare, there are many conflicting demands and the use of resources to treat addicts is still only grudgingly tolerated by the consensus of non-drug users or even recreational users – there is not just insufficient research and funding but even a feeling that addicts don’t deserve the best treatment as it is “rewarding their crime”…
In England the first controls against opiates came in 1926, to stop people buying the stuff OTC from any pharmacy, due to concerns over addictions. However family doctors were allowed to prescribe a reducing dose of morphine or even heroin for treating addicts. This continued until about 1970, but a rise in reported addicts in the late 1950s and 1960s led to a harder line being taken. It is only very recently that controlled heroin prescribing has been allowed once more and since a change of Government in 2010 even that was initially under threat (though it now appears even the govt realise that trying to become too harsh again will be very counterproductive).
Very little thought is given though to why people become addicts in the first place, and maybe trying to address this at source..
and no amount of “zero tolerance” will stop drug use. I’m British Asian and my extended family come from countries such as Malaysia where the death penalty is common for drug dealing – but even they have had to quietly abandon its use for small scale posession or they’d make a significant dent in their youth population!
@!sinner69! 436004 wrote:
I had to google a bit to get more educated and the experts are not convinced that you are right but as a treatment to keep people out of street drugs and try to get them into a more stabile life its good but withdrawal is another case…
and there are certain longterm effects that many have experienced so my friend was not wrong..others do not have those so its down to how the individual body takes it…so all is good about the methadone is wrong to say
All that post says is that withdrawal from methadone is worse then those withdrawals of say heroin and that is solely down to the fact that because methadone gets into the body’s fat tissues and builds up over a period of time hence the reason why people only need to dose once daily rather then say 3 times/day when using heroin. The withdrawals last much longer from methadone compared to those of a short acting opiate such as heroin or morphine it doesn’t state anywhere that its destroys the body, teeth or bodily functions just that withdrawals are longer lasting and in extreme cases on high doses will be worse also methadone withdrawals will come on alot slower then those of heroin due to the long & slow process of the body removing methadone as an opiate.
Hence the reason why when on a methadone prescription you will be tapered down very slowly as to avoid any horrible withdrawals minimizing them as much as humanly possible.
We was on the subject of apparently methadone damaged the body & rots the teeth not about how serve withdrawals are no one should abruptly stop taking methadone as with all long acting opiates your asking for a withdrawal from hell but even if you did go full blown cold turkey on methadone its not going to cause your body any harm whatsoever unless you are in poor health (from not eating properly/lack of exercise), suffer from HIV or cancer (in those cases you will need medical supervision as your body may not be able to take the shock of withdrawal due to your poor/terminal health) apart from a period of time where you feel ill just the same as heroin withdrawals (cold-turkey, dope-sickness) and the fact it will go on for alot longer
As for these long term effects I imagine you are on about depression anxiety etc this is all due to the brain’s chemistry returning to normal as it is used to getting outside help endorphins now that your brain is no longer receiving that outside help it basically has to learn to produce endorphins all on its own again and at first will struggle but as time goes by will return to what could be considered normal levels but since anyone thinking of using methadone as a opiate replacement has already messed with the way endorphins are produced this point is invalid and has no real relation to to the question of long term effects caused by methadone. People who use methadone are those who have a problem with opiates so either way they will continue to mess with endorphine levels/production in the brain.
if possible cld u keep intouch, i really wld like 2 know how u go on the program.
@SRM86 436007 wrote:
if possible cld u keep intouch, i really wld like 2 know how u go on the program.
Of course I will keep in touch mate it would be a pleasure 🙂
If you ever need help or factual advice I would be more then pleased to provide it and I pray to god to stop using those short acting opiates as I imagine your taking them via IV and I don’t want to see anyone destroy there lives through injecting heroin or morphine if you don’t wish to have methadone/suboxone therapy please consider tapering yourself off opiates as best you can I am very worried for your future pal 🙁 You can’t continue using forever before the negative effects make themselves present.
When it is for some people a bigger fear for the withdrawal from methadone than heroine I look at it as big issue and as you said clear cant be taken easy cause a cold turkey is for some a sentrence to death… so the best is to not get this far out…and in that I think we both agree… So I am happy on you behalf for that you got your life back and came on here and contribute to our harm reduction mission with your side of the story… But let not forget that we are a party site aswell and for some of us, drug-collection is like stamp collections are for others, it is a hobby that some can do while others should have done sumtin else before they ended up in the gutter…but we rise them up again and refuse to give slip until we see or know they are alright…
Can i ask how long hav u been using 4? how old r u? and how long hav u been on the program?
me?
@!sinner69! 436015 wrote:
When it is for some people a bigger fear for the withdrawal from methadone than heroine I look at it as big issue and as you said clear cant be taken easy cause a cold turkey is for some a sentrence to death… so the best is to not get this far out…and in that I think we both agree… So I am happy on you behalf for that you got your life back and came on here and contribute to our harm reduction mission with your side of the story… But let not forget that we are a party site aswell and for some of us, drug-collection is like stamp collections are for others, it is a hobby that some can do while others should have done sumtin else before they ended up in the gutter…but we rise them up again and refuse to give slip until we see or know they are alright…
Of course my friend I enjoy debate’s and have throughly enjoyed this one we have all had today and would like to thank you for your recognition of my help to harm reduction. 🙂 Thank you all for a lovely debate
@SRM86 436016 wrote:
Can i ask how long hav u been using 4? how old r u? and how long hav u been on the program?
I am 21 not a long term user yet I hope lol although I do have a physically addiction and get very sick without opiates I have been using heroin for 4 months alongside illegitimate methadone I have scored through friends and contacts so as not to have to inject heroin. Officially I have been on a program for just over a week but that is of course only officially I found out about the uses of methadone pretty much as soon as I got a physical addiction.
My drug of choice is heroin followed by methadone (prefer to use methadone then sit for half hour looking for a vein to inject into)
I must add that don’t think that because I have only been using opiates myself for 4 months that I do not have a massive knowledge of all drugs right from THC, Ketamine, MDMA, Amphetamines, Opiates and so on as I have grown up around the whole street/drug culture and 100% of my friends are drug abusers and mainly now heroin addicts so overs the years I have taught myself everything I need to know about virtually every drug you will find on the streets and now of course I suffer from heroin addiction myself I sit on my computer endlessly researching opiates, withdrawal and all things associated as well as gaining tons of information from my friends who have used some for over 20-30 years.
I plan on becoming some sort of drug researcher once/if I am able to permanently kick my opiate addiction.
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