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September 12, 2007 at 12:08 am

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orangetitch

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Not sure about all the recent and past propaganda we all seem to be speaking… All the theories and practices all end up the same anyway. Greed is what drives the leaders in the end, so ending in a dictatorship of some kind. As for people still being patriotic, ha. This country deserves having work and resources taken out of it.. I admit it is a serious negative factor that we are now the people paying for it. But look at the past footsteps the country made with colonies. Africa had every major natural mineral stolen, I think that deserves revenge. I would go on but this argument has happened to many times. I think the leason is to learn from mistakes and listen to them.
September 12, 2007 at 12:09 am

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orangetitch

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Just so u know Im from London and work for the NHS………!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 12, 2007 at 12:14 am

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globalloon

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i agree with orangetitich

some balance out has to occur
September 12, 2007 at 7:52 am

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boothy wrote:

how do you see it?

People power, everyone in charge no gods no masters.

We squatted Europes biggest deck access council estate in the early 90s and to a degree Anarchy worked as the police refused to enter there area. It was basically self rule do what you want.

http://www.exhulme.co.uk

I hate politics it pisses me off its all about being governed and no one governs me!
September 12, 2007 at 8:43 am

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General Lighting

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globalloon wrote:

the EU is a massive waste of resources. the most important thing they discussed this year was cheaper telephone calls between EU countries

at a cost of billions of ££s to EU taxpayers

the EU is a total joke right now and achieves very little. that might sound like a right wong opinion, but is actually the opinion of someone who supports economic and ecological sustainability; something that the EU is an insult to

it seems recently the EU has been hijacked by a lot of rabid ultra-free market types (funded by corporate lobbyists?) who dilute the occasionally positive social regulations and increase the bureaucracy by doing so because a lot of countries fight the rules and there is more acrimonious “debate” (I think its a lot of right wing types hoping to make it destroy itself)

The current EU has forced railway companies, telecoms companies postal services and electric/gas/water companies in member states to be privatised whether or not this is actually for the public good – there are still in some countries well run publically owned utilities and railways but they are being carved up to be sold often to US investors..
September 12, 2007 at 9:00 am

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kai

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MrAHC wrote:

Yes we can! And I’ve seen it work!

I certainly dont want extremism like communism or fascism. I value what freedom we have to much. I think the millions upon millions of people killed in the first half of the 20th century are testimony that Marxism doesn’t work.
I’ll always keep a wee bit of the Berlin wall next to my bed as testimony that.

That was Communism – not Marxism.

Communism was a misuse of the ideas of Karl Marx by the likes of Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky, who all used the ideals of Marx to gain support but then used that support to cement their own position of power and in doing so created Communism. In practice it is as far removed from Marx’s ideas as Fascism was.
September 12, 2007 at 9:05 am

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kai

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Marxism, Socialism and Anarchism are all variations on a theme that primarily involves the removal of the profit motive, and thus the removal of capitalism and almost certainly the removal of money as a consequence.

Communism is purely state control of all industry – therefore it is purely state capitalism, not socialism.
September 12, 2007 at 10:30 am

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kaito wrote:

Marxism, Socialism and Anarchism are all variations on a theme that primarily involves the removal of the profit motive, and thus the removal of capitalism and almost certainly the removal of money as a consequence.

Communism is purely state control of all industry – therefore it is purely state capitalism, not socialism.

Its still all a load of cock!
September 18, 2007 at 12:42 pm

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cathdreadhead

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studied marxism at uni when doing a fine art degree…its interesting stuff but very complicated!
September 21, 2007 at 8:13 pm

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andy ridgeway

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orangetitch wrote:

Africa had every major natural mineral stolen, I think that deserves revenge. I would go on but this argument has happened to many times. I think the leason is to learn from mistakes and listen to them.

and who loses out every single time?

nb: in the days of the raj, my family weren’t being carried around on thrones being fed grapes

they were working the docks, down the mines, in the cotton mills.

and now they get fucked all over again, by the same masters, in the name of “efficiency” (money), and the likes of you stand by and tell them that they deserve it.

:-/
September 21, 2007 at 10:30 pm

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globalloon

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andy ridgeway wrote:

in the name of “efficiency” (money)

it’s weird, because money doesn’t really exist anyway: for most people it’s a convenient form of co-operation, for those who manipulate its’ presence, it’s the tool of power, but still, it doesn’t actually exist

nationalism is a symptom of eating lies fed by those who have a vested interest in making you believe that national boundaries, economies and identities actually exist, so that they can continue to expand their practice of taking your money (which doesn’t exist)
September 22, 2007 at 2:36 pm

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General Lighting

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I think non-white minorities who live in places like the UK (especially those who are actually British by birth) get doubly fucked over by outsourcing / globalisation

they also lose out on jobs/career prospects (once jobs are gone they tend not to come back, and increasingly its skilled jobs that are being offshored) but also have to endure the knock on effects of greater racial tension…
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