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  • starlaugh wrote:
    I read in the paper a week or so ago that a judge had ordered a lad who killed someone (i think it was a driving accident) was made to have a massive picture of the bloke he killed in his home for 3 years so he had a reminder of a life he took :you_crazy Very strange but maybe it would work, would be a bit difficult to explain a huge portrait shot of a bloke being sat in your living room

    wow that’s even harsher than what i propose!

    tarifa wrote:
    I agree with u re the photos etc and the desensitization/compassion fatigue, but the reportd unfazedness is either lies or self-defence, witnessing violence causes psychological/emotional damage.

    Plus seeing footage or being a road side witness is a world away from being part of a professional team trying to save someone’s life.

    Get a person away from their friends, their comfort zone, straight and sober and close enough to see, hear and smell, get them involved in helping that real human being, put them in an environment where its safe to show their reaction and i can almost guarante you’ll permanently change their perspective.

    i’m not talking about career crims or psychopaths just ur average pillock who uses their mobile whilst driving.

    this is the thing though. Your average pillock who uses a mobile should be deterred from committing this offence merely by the risk of a fine and, the risk of losing their driving license (or for that matter being injured themselves in a traffic collision).

    I would go so far as to say those who repeatedly commit such offences knowing the risks are potential career criminals/psychopaths – and as you are probably aware there are a lot of “successful” businessmen who fit into that category, particularly the more ruthless sales types who feel that picking up that call is more important than road safety..

    Here’s that article i was on about where the bloke has to have a picture of the person he killed:

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    A killer driver has been ordered to display a large photograph of his teenage victim at his home for three years.

    Arthur Pierce, 31, must put a 2ft high picture of Chelsi Gregory on permanent show accompanied by the words: “I’m sorry I killed you.”

    The unusual punishment was ordered by a judge when he jailed Pierce for two years. He will be obliged to display the photograph as part of his three-year probation on his release from prison.

    Pierce, who was over the drink-drive limit, was racing his cousin on a busy street in Winter Haven, Florida, when they caused the accident that killed 17-year-old Chelsi. Witnesses told police Pierce was swerving in and out of traffic at about 120mph in a 45mph zone when his Cadillac collided with a pick-up truck in which Chelsi was a passenger.

    He escaped a more severe sentence after the main police investigator in the case suffered a heart attack and died before the trial. Under a plea bargain, Pierce admitted vehicular manslaughter. He could have been jailed for up to 15 years.

    Judge Robert Doyel said that Pierce’s probation officer will be allowed to search his home at any time to check that a photograph at least 2ft high is displayed in a prominent place. He warned Pierce that if it is not, he will be deemed to have violated his probation and will be sent back to jail.

    Chelsi’s parents, Johnny and Jeanna, reluctantly agreed to the lenient sentence – but welcomed the order over the photograph.

    Her 45-year-old father suffered a stroke in the days after the accident. In a statement read to the court, he said: “My life is devastated without Chelsi. She was a huge part of my life. I will always love and miss her.” Pierce’s cousin, Christopher Pierce, will be sentenced next week for his part in the death race.

    Was in the states, but i think this should be brought over here 😉 Top Notch punishment i think

    starlaugh wrote:
    Here’s that article i was on about where the bloke has to have a picture of the person he killed:
    Was in the states, but i think this should be brought over here 😉 Top Notch punishment i think

    the full 15 year sentence would have been better IMO. I suspect that after the initial impact the offender will become desensetised to seeing the photo (which he only has to show for 3 years).

    This would only work if the offender genuinely feels remorse and lots of criminals don’t these days.

    People get more than that in the USA for selling drugs even when no-one has got killed..

    Don’t some american states send drink drivers to a morgue as part of their sentences to get a first hand view of the people killed by drink drivers? Maybe they should do that to mobile phone drivers too :get_you:

    As a [mostly former] cyclist and motor bike rider I think all drivers should have to spend two years riding motor bikes before being allowed behind the wheel of a three or more wheeled vehicle – it teaches you road awareness at the sharp end. Nothing is more enraging than ‘sorry mate I didnt see you’ just after they have pulled out without looking and written off your bike :get_you:

    And you get into the habit of just driving – you need both hands [well almost everyone does] to control and ride the bike properly :groucho: plus a much more up close and personal experience of how the vehicle handles raaa so you take a far more focussed attention to the road into every other vehicle you drive.

    General Lighting wrote:
    this is the thing though. Your average pillock who uses a mobile should be deterred from committing this offence merely by the risk of a fine and, the risk of losing their driving license (or for that matter being injured themselves in a traffic collision).

    I would go so far as to say those who repeatedly commit such offences knowing the risks are potential career criminals/psychopaths – and as you are probably aware there are a lot of “successful” businessmen who fit into that category, particularly the more ruthless sales types who feel that picking up that call is more important than road safety..

    I respectfully disagree with you mr lighting sir. i see jo average in his car talking on a hand-held all the time, totally unfazed by the thought of fine/points.

    and i deliniated between career crims and mobile phone ‘drivers’ in order to distinguish between those who (you said) were used to blood and those nice ‘law-abiding’ respectable suits who’d probably faint at the site of it. If, as you suggest, the A&E idea doesn’t work on those already immune to gore & guts, it should still have a chance with the ruthless but probably sheltered office/sales/wimp bastards yes? :rant: :rant: :rant:

    I think the fine/point penalty is def fair and am going to be watching with interest to see how much of an effect it has.

    end of rant, i think! 😉

    Raj wrote:
    As a [mostly former] cyclist and motor bike rider I think all drivers should have to spend two years riding motor bikes before being allowed behind the wheel of a three or more wheeled vehicle – it teaches you road awareness at the sharp end. Nothing is more enraging than ‘sorry mate I didnt see you’ just after they have pulled out without looking and written off your bike :get_you:

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    from experience too – definately

    tarifa wrote:
    I respectfully disagree with you mr lighting sir. i see jo average in his car talking on a hand-held all the time, totally unfazed by the thought of fine/points.

    the law has only recently been changed though – its only been in recent weeks the black rats have been looking out for offenders. I think it should have been more points maybe, enough to give them a real risk of losing their license..

    its like drink driving, loads of people did it until feds cracked down and many still risk it.

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    nice ‘law-abiding’ respectable suits who’d probably faint at the site of it. If, as you suggest, the A&E idea doesn’t work on those already immune to gore & guts, it should still have a chance with the ruthless but probably sheltered office/sales/wimp bastards yes? :rant: :rant: :rant:

    I don’t think a lot of them are as sheltered as people make them out to be; most of the pissed up violence which leads to real injuries and sometimes even manslaughter/murder comes from these types.

    OK they rarely become serial killers or violent robbers, and fist-fights at work are rare as they are a career-limiting move – but the anger manifests itself in fights at sunday football, pissed up townie violence and domestic abuse. How many times have you opened up your local paper and seen a bunch of normal “suit” types up before the beak for ABH, GBH or manslaughter after a weekend’s “fun?”

    Where I used to live the suits would regularly kick in a random homeless and piss on them after a weekends drinking, it actually took the CCTV operators and the feds to keep an eye on the street people to keep them safe

    IMO there are loads of people about who are not “career criminals” only because they have a “legitimate” career, or can limit their agrression to a level below that which gets you arrested.

    These days, the threshold at which people turn to violence or are prepared to risk hurting someone else to get their way has lowered a lot and it manifests itself on the roads as well.

    Also there is a lot of pent up agression in these office types and it gets let out when they get into their cars.

    Of course people don’t normally go out of their way to have collissions (they would damage their nice shiny cars) but in some areas there is definitely a kind of “brinkmanship” on the roads where you see people play with each others lives, and a lot of road rage.

    Ur right there’s aggression in all and every type of person.

    How it is percieved and dealt with still depends on where they stand economically/socially in our society.

    Those with ‘respectability’ ie money can get away with murder, always have done always will.

    Still in my experience most people, most men in particular (sorry but am talking bout my experience) get verrrry wierd around blood, if i had a pound for every one thats fainted or :yakk: . . . .ahhh poor buggers.

    An ur right bout the timing too, needs to settle into the group unconsciousness for a while before the real results come clear.

    The higher the fines the better – it can endanger lives.

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