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  • @General Lighting 388635 wrote:

    I’m old enough to remember the days of solvent abuse and TBH I doubt this will happen as cannabis and even alcohol tend to provide just as good a buzz..

    when solvent abuse was rife alcohol was more expensive and the practice of growing cannabis in the UK unheard of..

    nah alcohol is the shittest drug on the planet

    even 1980s alcohol (some of which was even more rank than anything sold today and probably now banned under EU laws) was better (and less risky to health long term) than 1980s solvents (I did both)…

    I don’t think any laws will totally roll back Britain’s drug culture (for instance local growing of cannabis is unlikely to stop any time soon..) but the reality is prohibition does eventually have an effect to dissuade people once they get to a decent position in life and don’t want to take too many risks being nicked and thus is still viewed as an acceptable method of demand reduction, even if it has many other flaws….

    prohibition works on some people like career types but the real fuck heads dont give a toss.. and quite a lot of career types risk their jobs to take drugs anyway. sure prohibition stops straight laced people experimenting but there’s a certain class of people (like myself) who are born determined to experiment with their concsiousness and nothing will stand in their way

    also as time goes on and technology improves it will be easier and easier to synthesize illegal chemicals.. one day (probably not in my lifetime) it’ll just be a case of getting a software hack for your kitchen equipment. The war on mind altering substances is conceptually unwinnable as they are all made out of ‘organic’ atoms.

    @Iacchus 388731 wrote:

    also as time goes on and technology improves it will be easier and easier to synthesize illegal chemicals.. one day (probably not in my lifetime) it’ll just be a case of getting a software hack for your kitchen equipment. The war on mind altering substances is conceptually unwinnable as they are all made out of ‘organic’ atoms.

    was listening to one of those talks by terrence mckenna and he was going on about that in a few years time there will be digital drugs, so you just play a certain frequency through some ear phones and it will put your brain waves into the state of tripping or being on mdma or whatever. he then goes on about how the government will probably try to ban these aswell, which will show that they are far more interested in controlling our minds than controlling what substances we can and can’t put into our bodies for fear of causing ill health or cost to the nhs etc…

    @Iacchus 388730 wrote:

    prohibition works on some people like career types but the real fuck heads dont give a toss.. and quite a lot of career types risk their jobs to take drugs anyway. sure prohibition stops straight laced people experimenting but there’s a certain class of people (like myself) who are born determined to experiment with their concsiousness and nothing will stand in their way

    hear hear! :horay:

    @Iacchus 388731 wrote:

    also as time goes on and technology improves it will be easier and easier to synthesize illegal chemicals..

    there was no real reason why even todays “legal” highs couldn’t have been made in the EU with todays technology rather than Asia as it seems that none of the chemicals were on really bad watch lists, it wasn’t totally breaking the law to make them and would only require someone with a degree in chemistry overseeing the process and then a few others with NVQ or A-level knowledge to carry out parts of the synthesis.. and relatively basic lab equipment any uni would have..

    this applies to the better known illegal drugs too which is why the chemicals for traditional party drugs are on the watch list but that may not be the case as much with “legal” ones.. but even with the terrorism paranoia as long as the people doing it didn’t look like Muslims or skinheads and had no criminal record for violence or involvement in extreme politics (and didn’t set fire to their lab or pollute the surroundings with waste chemicals) they’d probably be left alone..

    yet no one bothered and pushed all the work to the Chinese, this doesn’t make sense to me? What happens to the people in the EU studying chemistry? Unless they can make a better living with more “legit” stuff which is probably the case..

    in the future it won’t be government regulations affecting drug use as much but the effect of resources depletion such as peak oil starting to kick in, as well as the knock on effects of warfare and international trade restrictions caused by the economic decline as well as lack of spare cash

    it won’t be so much the difficulty of getting chemicals (as there aren’t that many used compared to making plastic tat) but folk simply won’t have the time for 3 day parties and 2 days in the week to recover when they are doing 5 days of proper manual work or brainwork when transport costs push jobs back to the UK and Europe..

    Although ironically use of “traditional” stimulants (as opposed to psychedelics, cannabis and depresants) might be tolerated more or even encouraged “to get the work done” (there was one factory in the Phillipines during the 1990s where people had to have compulsory injections of amfetamine to make production targets for IBM CD-R drives!)

    @process 388735 wrote:

    was listening to one of those talks by terrence mckenna and he was going on about that in a few years time there will be digital drugs, so you just play a certain frequency through some ear phones and it will put your brain waves into the state of tripping or being on mdma or whatever.

    with the amount of people around writing computer worms/viruses even if this stuff ever got invented I’d trust the chemical drugs more TBH…

    Its all bollocks…

    People are always going to take drugs legal or not!

    I party with teachers, lawyers, even doctors ffs and they are at just like the rest of us

    you can paint it how you want but the goverment are the ones making more dangerous to take drugs every day!

    @pred1 388767 wrote:

    Its all bollocks…

    People are always going to take drugs legal or not!

    I party with teachers, lawyers, even doctors ffs and they are at just like the rest of us

    you can paint it how you want but the goverment are the ones making more dangerous to take drugs every day!

    yes, and this is a government where some people used to be ravers – and so they know how to put the pressure on the middle class users who have professional careers. Although TBH I think the mephedrone ban was to “punish” greedy youths the Govt have made it clear they are still not even prepared to tolerate drug use by older or “middle class” people.

    A lot of the politicians are our generation and unfortunately they clearly have been swayed more by the negative side of drugs (any pro-drug libertarians in either the Tory or Lib Dem party have been sidelined and some actually removed from both parties).

    Cameron is very cagey about his youth, and whilst in the USA Barack Obama admitted to youthful drug use after an initial defiant stance he had to shamefacedly say it was a “mistake” – even though it obviously didn’t stop him passing his uni exams and becoming a lawyer and the first black president!

    Then there’s still the issue of EU and international agreements the UK is signed up to..

    For as long as drugs remain illegal and not tolerated by normal society, all it takes is for one person to make a snide call or pass on info to a professional standards body or an authority – of course very unlikely to be a random as they would need to get into the circle of friends of the user but friendships and relationships come and go so no one can be trusted in a competitive ruthless world.

    A youth aged 12-25 or so is tolerated a certain amount of “youthful indiscretions”, even the use of drugs but once people get older they are supposed to have “grown out of it”.

    Normal folk will say a teacher on drugs is a bad example to kids (whether or not this is true), a drug-friendly lawyer will try and get junkies less penalties or is liable to corrupt influences from the criminal community and there are already known incidents of drug-using healthcare staff doing everything from giving poor quality care to giving deliberate (and fatal) opiate overdoses to patients!

    If I’d lived a “normal” life and got married and had kids in my mid 20s but was also partying, the slightest problem with the relationship could cost me access to the kids if my partner says “drug use is an issue” – this has happened to a fair few people (particularly men) I know – and they either have calmed down and chosen family or split up when both sides are stubborn.

    @process 388735 wrote:

    in a few years time there will be digital drugs, so you just play a certain frequency through some ear phones and it will put your brain waves into the state of tripping or being on mdma or whatever.

    These have exsisted for some time now .. obv not perfect .. some work a bit some don’t …

    they work using a binaural freq (freq + carrier wave) .. that your brain interprits as one freq, the same freq, that the drug resonates at (or something like this)

    search google (or torrent site) for “i-doser” as an example.

    @DaftFader 388851 wrote:

    These have exsisted for some time now .. obv not perfect .. some work a bit some don’t …

    they work using a binaural freq (freq + carrier wave) .. that your brain interprits as one freq, the same freq, that the drug resonates at (or something like this)

    search google (or torrent site) for “i-doser” as an example.

    I-Doser – Free software downloads and software reviews – CNET Download.com

    @General Lighting 388744 wrote:

    there was no real reason why even todays “legal” highs couldn’t have been made in the EU with todays technology

    Chemists still rely on precursors to make drugs cheaply, (which are widely available and cheap in asia). Nobody wants to have to synthesize the precursors from scratch the whole process would be too long winded

    however ‘lab on a chip’ technologies are being developed as we speak, along with nanotechnology removing the need for lengthy chemical processes, one day you’ll be able to just turn a ham sandwhich into LSD with your household equipment. Unless the government completely restricts the right to change the bonds in atoms to controlled companies and drugs tests everyone when they walk out of their front door in the morning, they are fucked

    also if you go ahead far enough in the future everyone will have glands that they can synthesize chemicals at will. This will initially start out as biotechnology for diabetics etc but will eventually include synthesis of ‘approved’ stimulants, antioxidants and other life prolonging chemicals, and bobs your uncles you can just think ‘acid’ and it will start seeping into your bloodstream.

    Thats if we dont all blow each other up fighting over the last barrel of oil first.

    @process 388735 wrote:

    was listening to one of those talks by terrence mckenna and he was going on about that in a few years time there will be digital drugs, so you just play a certain frequency through some ear phones and it will put your brain waves into the state of tripping or being on mdma or whatever. he then goes on about how the government will probably try to ban these aswell, which will show that they are far more interested in controlling our minds than controlling what substances we can and can’t put into our bodies for fear of causing ill health or cost to the nhs etc…

    These are already available. They dont work very well though. However he is right that drugs will be replaced by technology to some extent – the human brain will eventually meld with technology and altered states of consciousness will be available without requiring a chemical, but instead causing the dynamic core of our consciousness to travel through electrical circuits causing ‘trips’ (instead of the usually subconsciouss data processing circuits our consciousness drifts into when we take psychedelics and experience geometrics patterns etc)

    @1984 388852 wrote:

    I-Doser – Free software downloads and software reviews – CNET Download.com

    thats fucking metal if they work! has anyone you know tried them? just found this.. Hallucinogenic : I-Doser.com, Binaural Brainwave Doses be well mad if they work as much as the peoples testimonies on the website say! :crazy:

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