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  • Well, you could be positive and say “well done for quitting for 2 weeks”. The relapse rate for heroin withdrawal is sodding huge – 98% plus fail on the their first attempt, some don’t even make it one day.

    Still, you want to be negative and piss all over everybody’s achievements to cover up your own inadequecies, that’s your way of dealing with the world I guess. 🙂

    Looks like we have a new manaman : /

    TBH I don’t see any great positives here. the guy may have quit two weeks but still passed the impact of his drug use onto a lot of other people, including beating an innocent customer of his employers and causing them reputational damage (I personally wouldn’t drink in a pub what employs drug addicts who attack paying customers and I am of otherwise unashamedly left wing/tolerant views with regard to drugs use, and anti-prohibition.

    no one forces folk to take large amounts of drugs. OK there is sometimes peer pressure but we are all supposed to have learned from the mistakes of the 80s and 90s, and like it or not the new generation cannot afford to repeat them – they simply do not and will not have the surplus of resources and economic good times our generation benefited from.

    The argument against prohibition is that personal drug use is usually a victimless crime.

    in most cases that is correct but not in this one, there have been many other victims. TBH being judged by a peer (poly) is minor stuff when his former employers would have every right to report him the Police and report a drug-related crime of violence. The addict to be fair would only have got a Caution and possibly a referral to a drug treatment centre but wasn’t that exactly the “tough love” Pat (and many others) advocate? Sometimes “friendly non judgemental advice from peers” doesn’t work and the strong hand of authority needs to be used. even in a world with decrim/no prohibition we’d need controls against anti-social behaviour whilst under the influence.

    also I lived for many years in the same part of the UK as Poly and friends now live in and though being arrested a few times for drugs was annoying, in hindsight TVP were “firm but fair” and given that they still had to enforce the laws as shown on the statute books, had surprisingly enlightened discussions with me over my (personal) drug use and its wider impact on society and the risks to my health and burdens to other organisations such as the NHS.

    BTW my extended family come from a country (Malaysia) which has moved from the death penalty for drug users to “tough love” for small time users.

    The death penalty was becoming impractical due to the large number of otherwise harmless middle class users (it would be utterly stupid to kill your up and coming generations especially when emigration to Western countries is at a high level) but at the same time they couldn’t just let drug users do as they please and damage a country’s stability and economy (this year they have removed some harsh social control laws and introduced minimum wage as the country is doing well in spite of the economic depression.

    worth also knowing there is a significant number of folk in the UK who would support decrim/tolerance provided users can behave in a reasonable manner (i.e holding down a job properly, not behaving badly…) – these are the older middle class folk who grew up in the 60s to 80s , who work full time or are retired with significant assets (houses etc) and thus have the real power in the UK.

    @Keyser Söze 478255 wrote:

    Looks like we have a new manaman : /

    Haha, ennit.

    This guy is obviously on a hate ting and rides on his high horse! He’s 43, mid-life crisis!!! ;). Comes on the net to shoot down other people to make him-self feel better…

    to be fair Pat means well, its only that he is perhaps looking on situations with the perspective of 10-15 years ago when times were better and folk could afford to be “positive” about everything and “non judgemental”.0

    This was only because the rest of society was doing well enough not to be fussed about the stupidity of addicts and the burden they were putting on wider society, and wider society was way more optimistic about everything.

    I was of course around during those days too..

    So I can’t blame him (or manaman) on that level, those times (starting with the social changes of the 1980s) really were “magical” times and i can see why everyone young or old wants to try and relive them. I see it also in my old hippy friends of the same agegroup, and they don’t even do fuckloads of drugs but do really positive things about enviroment etc, in some cases better stuff than what I am doing, but deep down they too yearn for days when “times were simpler and/or just more fun…”

    but those “good times” aren’t coming back no matter how much we may wish for them.

    the reasons for this are complex (and have been discussed to some extent elsewhere) and it doesn’t mean that the future is totally shit and people should give up and/or succumb to despair/addictions/whatever but we should at least look to the future rather than the past, and consider the impact of our actions on everyone….

    @Pat McDonald 478250 wrote:

    Well, you could be positive and say “well done for quitting for 2 weeks”. The relapse rate for heroin withdrawal is sodding huge – 98% plus fail on the their first attempt, some don’t even make it one day.

    Still, you want to be negative and piss all over everybody’s achievements to cover up your own inadequecies, that’s your way of dealing with the world I guess. 🙂

    well done for making up a little story behind my posting motives, very grown up and incorrect.

    Well done for living off your Mum for 2 weeks and tampering off on Methadone. big achievement letting your family help detox you off opiates for the admitted fact that you wants to have less tolerance and not actually ever quit.

    pat you’re making yourself look silly by trying to push your point upon me and say nasty stuff, a few posts ago you said we were ‘too alike’ so if you think that then you put people down to cover up your inadequacies.

    I posted this information because It’s somewhat interesting and for me to watch it was crazy and worth being told, i don’t get a big kick out of it and feel so much better in myself cos my friend is a junkie who’s fucked… but obviously you know me so well from reading a few posts and getting wound up because i disagreed with your cannabis thread. it’s sad that you’re so affected by this minor matter.

    Well, it’s like this. You heal people with love.

    You have no love for this individual who is trying to reform his life by giving up heroin? Then you can’t help heal him.

    Still your problem. Still projecting all that negativity at me. Huh, if you can’t take it, don’t hand it out, kid. Scared of ageing? Getting old?

    You’re scared of growing up more like. You’re scared of loving people because you’re scared of getting hurt and losing again. You’re scared anyone might be smarter or more experienced or wiser than you are.

    Your fears are your own. Again, your problem. Now, I’m out of this thread, so feel free to behave like a little kid again. We all need a release, it’s pretty fucking obvious how you get yours – online psychological warfare.

    Me too, player. 🙂

    I see no warfare, that’s your own problem if you do.

    sadly your view on me ridiculous but obviously you’ve decided i’m a sad loveless individual from replies to your stupid belligerent posts.

    I’ll keep replying to you because most people are clever enough to realise when they’re making themselves look like an absolute prat but you haven’t and it’s very funny to read.

    Obviously i cannot handle posting on a forum that’s why i only have 22k posts and i’m sure you’ll leave when you think you’ve bitched enough and never return.

    come on pat let’s have some more stupid made up information about my personality.

    It seems my “benefit of doubt” has been proved inaccurate. 🙂

    Thanks proving yourself for being a knee jerk reaction, or a knee reaction jerk.

    CU around.

    I hope when i’m 43 i’m as intelligent and witty as Pat. what a god.

    What a wally haha :laugh_at:

    @p0ly 478277 wrote:

    I hope when i’m 43 i’m as intelligent and witty as Pat. what a god.

    Hey dude, it’s a poor student who doesn’t exceed their master. I reckon you’ll do just fine… if you want to. Cos we all do what we want, at the end of the day.

    It’s just sometimes people make really shitty choices. And I’ve made LOADS and LOADS of mistakes. Hardest person for me to forgive was… me.

    Fuck it. At least I was prepared to stand up and have a go. And you had a go at a bad habit… that’s worth some karma, huh?

    EDIT: “Good” people do “good” things because they want to. “Bad” people do “bad” things… because they want to.

    So maybe there are no “good” or “bad” people. Just “good” or “bad” actions.

    @p0ly 478267 wrote:

    but obviously you know me so well from reading a few posts and getting wound up because i disagreed with your cannabis thread. it’s sad that you’re so affected by this minor matter.

    Nearly forgot. There is another viable scientifically researched explanation. It’s a very big study area and I doubt you have time for it right now… perhaps others do, like manaman perhaps.

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    what are you linking me to? maybe link some data..

    The physical location used to be called Stanford Research Institute. What it offers is an explanation of how information can be gleaned without a physical meeting.

    If you want the declassified originals then you can find a shedload of them here (the really juicy bits haven’t been declassified);-

    Remote Viewing information and resource site

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