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November 29, 2011 at 9:32 am

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@p0ly 457726 wrote:

the average pay is a joke.

average wage in the UK is 25K

wouldn’t mind a bit of that personally.
November 29, 2011 at 9:39 am

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average, do you mean the what most people earn or all income divided by number of people?
November 29, 2011 at 9:46 am

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@!sinner69! 459225 wrote:

average, do you mean the what most people earn or all income divided by number of people?

it would be the mean so the total earnings divided by the number of people. The standard deviation would be rather high though me thinks which I think is what you are getting at
November 29, 2011 at 9:56 am

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yes statistics is a tricky thing, there are many ways to read it, or how you build the the answer…what a 25 years old should expect to earn is not the same as a 50 years old, then you have branches difference + +

And for me there is a happy scale as well, and I measure that very high so income is secondary
November 29, 2011 at 1:04 pm

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@HSB 459226 wrote:

it would be the mean so the total earnings divided by the number of people. The standard deviation would be rather high though me thinks which I think is what you are getting at

you can’t really do a mean average for this kinda thing … if one person earns the same as the entire rest of the population (and someone probably does knowing our elite!) the it’s gonna look like people are getting payed way more then they actualy are.
November 29, 2011 at 1:06 pm

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the mode average will show you the most popula wage, ie the one most people are on. Again it’s probably best to use a wage braket to dipict this.
November 29, 2011 at 1:37 pm

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@HSB 459226 wrote:

it would be the mean so the total earnings divided by the number of people. The standard deviation would be rather high though me thinks which I think is what you are getting at

I’ve seen this figure quoted loads and it has only been very recently that I have managed to earn slightly below that amount. This involves working 40-60 hour weeks but I am lucky that my hobbies and my work are very similar. I agree with what sinner says about happiness which is why I do not move back to London where I could earn way more, but interestingly two countries always score highly on happiness – one is Denmark, the other is Singapore! Although DK is way more “free” than SG in many respects, both nations have a relatively small population, strong immigration policies (for instance SG is always kicking out mainland Chinese despite the bulk of people there being of Chinese origin) and whilst both are multicultural they also encourage a strong sense of tribal/national identity, more so than the UK… Even “happiness” has a price…
November 29, 2011 at 1:40 pm

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@General Lighting 459240 wrote:

I’ve seen this figure quoted loads and it has only been very recently that I have managed to earn slightly below that amount. This involves working 40-60 hour weeks but I am lucky that my hobbies and my work are very similar. I agree with what sinner says about happiness which is why I do not move back to London where I could earn way more, but interestingly two countries always score highly on happiness – one is Denmark, the other is Singapore! Although DK is way more “free” than SG in many respects, both nations have a relatively small population, strong immigration policies (for instance SG is always kicking out mainland Chinese despite the bulk of people there being of Chinese origin) and whilst both are multicultural they also encourage a strong sense of tribal/national identity, more so than the UK… Even “happiness” has a price…

To be fair tho, there are many other nations with strict imigration policies what wouldn’t be classes as so happy.
November 29, 2011 at 1:52 pm

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@DaftFader 459234 wrote:

you can’t really do a mean average for this kinda thing … if one person earns the same as the entire rest of the population (and someone probably does knowing our elite!) the it’s gonna look like people are getting payed way more then they actualy are.

hence why its important to use a verity of analytical/stastical methods. I would not say you “cant do a mean” but at the same time if that’s all you are looking at and you don’t really understand what it means then its about as useful as a chocolate teapot.

PS man I could demolish a chocolate teapot right now
November 29, 2011 at 1:59 pm

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@DaftFader 459241 wrote:

To be fair tho, there are many other nations with strict imigration policies what wouldn’t be classes as so happy.

its hard to explain but at least in good economic times both these nations manage to encourage a positive national identity without resorting to racism.

In SG for instance it doesn’t matter if you are Chinese, Malay, Indian or European, but you are expected to be proud of your country (and to be fair there are good reasons for it). They try this in Malaysia as well but because Malaysia isn’t as rich its not always as successful. In both SG and MY they are very sensitive about racial/religious issues hence what may seem like limits on freedom of expression, but this is because of history – the entire reason why Singapore exists at all was because of a bitter race war in the 1960s to 1970s which resulted in Malaya having to even bring back British troops to the streets post independence as peacekeepers and then split the country to give mostly the Chinese Singapore
November 29, 2011 at 2:06 pm

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yeah the other places I was thinking of could border on more of a racist idea towards immigration I guess.

I just think “can that really be responsible for an entire countries happiness?” I mean I know the immigration in this country is something that definitely has no effect on my happiness, and the only people I know what would say it does effect them are mostly overly patriotic to say the least. All my proper mates don’t even think about it. The knock on effects don’t bother me either.
November 29, 2011 at 2:30 pm

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@HSB 459245 wrote:

hence why its important to use a verity of analytical/stastical methods. I would not say you “cant do a mean” but at the same time if that’s all you are looking at and you don’t really understand what it means then its about as useful as a chocolate teapot.

PS man I could demolish a chocolate teapot right now

Totally. Personal income doesn’t follow a ‘normal distribution’ so the mean is a fairly useless and misleading measurement in this case.
November 29, 2011 at 3:27 pm

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its more a matter of getting the right balance between patriotism, multiculturalism and social equality – which some nations do better than others. My personal impression of Singapore (though it is not a country I would want to live in at my age) is that it is strict but fair and if you do the right thing and behave well you are genuinely rewarded.
December 21, 2011 at 3:05 pm

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Would you say places like Singapore are multicultural enough? You have to think, some places aren’t, and then you have places where people are stuck in poverty cos they can’t go anywhere else as the immigration is too strict everywhere else.

It’s such a fine balance and EVERY country has to get it right for it to work on a global scale. Otherwise it just pushes more of a divide between the richer and poorer nations imo.
December 23, 2011 at 10:17 am

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I want this for xmas;

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