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@Tank Girl 496676 wrote:

Indeed, I have heard of it and know it happens internationally, and I am even joined up with slutwalk uk and UK feminista on facebook and still missed it!!!
I didnt realsie there is another page slutwalk london – and all the info was on there – I’d have thought it would have been advertised / organised with better communication.. I actually first heard of it last year on radio 4, on womans hour!!!

@Izbeckistan 496684 wrote:

Yep same here, heard about it the day before so not enough time to plan it 🙁 Just keep your ears to the ground for the next one 🙂

I think people are getting way too complacent in the Internet age, not just with this but other campaigns – they think their voice is most important and will be heard over and above others (with much more power and resources than them) by magic, they don’t take control over the campaign communications because thats “reinforcing traditional power structures” (so messages get diluted) and also shout so much about problems but not solutions (or when solutions “aren’t nice” then they clam up). I am always having this discussion with people in the Transition/environment movements.

often you get two extremes – people shouting about bad news without solutions, and others trying to advance “nice” solutions but ignoring bad news or ignoring working solutions of others because they don’t agree with the group what did it.

For instance I don’t agree with the politics of the current Government, but nothing positive has been said by many of the more “militant” feminist groups about Theresa May bringing in legislation to charge youth offenders for teenage domestic violence which was something that was overlooked until recently but was a big problem – when I myself read about a Police initiative here and posted on the forum “surely thata a bit intrusive to the youths?” a young lad of from this area who was then 17 openly admitted on here that it was a big problem. I don’t like tories any more than they do but at least something has been done. Also a lot of the campaign groups seem to ignore the fact that by removing the nightlife venues where flashpoints and risks occur removes much of the risk of stranger / acquaintance attacks, leaving the cops with more resources to target against assaults as part of domestic violence. When public sector budgets are tight, most councils and communities accept the sacrifice of “weekend freedom” this entails.

Even a “zero tolerance” policy would still allow genuine cases of self defence. the problem with England at present (which may not exist in many other better run countries) is that too much fighting and violence is tolerated when there is no need for it, when others are trying to have fun. Often what we would call a “zero tolerance” policy here is in reality normal policy for any Northern European country. For instance the rules used to calm down nightlife in Ipswich were lifted straight from Amsterdam where they have worked.

where England’s culture differs is that we have too much tolerance of selfish individualism at the expense of decent group behaviour, and a “might make right” culture which is already neofascist and is being used to control and intimidate others on many nightlife scenes. Why else did Breivik make so many friends here, and has he many supporters even on music scenes where you would not expect them to be? Already we can’t have anything like mysteryland or distortion without it turning into carnage. the problems at v festival are widely discussed on another thread, and were there not 6 000 to 10 000 cops at Notting Hill Carnival people would get killed. That’s the reality of English public events..

Of course it would be nice to have more acceptance of EDM events but these security problems and our binge culture with regard to pills and booze here (another thing not found as much across the sea) is the main reason why, not even the Police or others in authority. they are now openly saying that they will accept safe, well run events, they just want people to behave nicely to each other at them.