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@p0ly 496609 wrote:
as for rape, a good friend of mine has just come back from turkey and got raped out there, she already had an awful holiday and has lots of trouble with her family and itโs heartbreaking to see as iโm doing my best to be there for her and speaking to her everyday and trying to help her and her boyfriend through itโฆ. sheโs a really nice person and did not deserve anything this sick to happen to her.
Very sorry to hear that, good that she has people like you and her BF to help her through it and I hope she can recover from the trauma such a despicable crime inflicts.
Just to clarify my earlier statement and ensure no offense is takenโฆ.. I do NOT think anyone deserves or invites this crime, nor do I think those it happens are to blame in any way no matter what they do or how the dress or act, I only meant that some actions can increase the risk of certain forms of this crime happening, and of course there are forms of this crime where no action or inaction by the victim could have prevented them being targeted.
speaking of the word slut i know a girl who used to love being called โmy dirty little slutโ, quite a few people know her too from here. Donโt think sheโll ever read this but hope she doesnโt i just felt like being brutally honest cos iโm in one of those moods.
@Mezz 496616 wrote:
Very sorry to hear that, good that she has people like you and her BF to help her through it and I hope she can recover from the trauma such a despicable crime inflicts.
thanks, she really is. believe me.
@General Lighting 496611 wrote:
It wasnโt that easy to find the correct UK info, had to plough through expired / old data, links to marches in foreign countries, previous marches and in the end actually had to use the metpol website to confirm there was a march in London today! Of course being the cops they canโt and wonโt give a free publicity platform to the march but I think its some law to do with traffic closures or human rights or perhaps both that details of all marches in London are shown there.
There was one mentioning the UK date in a odd corner but with posts, incidents etc mentioned in American English or some other places. Whilst its good to show international solidarity it is a bit disappointing (in comparison to 1970s/1980s similar campaigns) when there is that much confusion about you have to use a Police website to double check when the march actually is! This also explains why a clued up supportive person like TG would miss it.
Indeed, I have heard of it and know it happens internationally, and I am even joined up with slutwalk uk and UK feminista on facebook and still missed it!!!
I didnt realsie there is another page slutwalk london โ and all the info was on there โ Iโd have thought it would have been advertised / organised with better communication.. I actually first heard of it last year on radio 4, on womans hour!!!
@Tank Girl 496676 wrote:
Indeed, I have heard of it and know it happens internationally, and I am even joined up with slutwalk uk and UK feminista on facebook and still missed it!!!
I didnt realsie there is another page slutwalk london โ and all the info was on there โ Iโd have thought it would have been advertised / organised with better communication.. I actually first heard of it last year on radio 4, on womans hour!!!
Yep same here, heard about it the day before so not enough time to plan it Just keep your ears to the ground for the next one
@Mezz 496616 wrote:
Very sorry to hear that, good that she has people like you and her BF to help her through it and I hope she can recover from the trauma such a despicable crime inflicts.
Just to clarify my earlier statement and ensure no offense is takenโฆ.. I do NOT think anyone deserves or invites this crime, nor do I think those it happens are to blame in any way no matter what they do or how the dress or act, I only meant that some actions can increase the risk of certain forms of this crime happening, and of course there are forms of this crime where no action or inaction by the victim could have prevented them being targeted.
Rape more than often is about power and not sex. If a guy has the mentality to happily rape a womanโฆheโll do it, regardless of how she is dressed.
What I mean is when rapist walks through a park and sees a target, hes not โmore likelyโ to rape her just because of how sexy sheโs dressed.
But as for drinkingโฆits just a basic safety procaution to not put yourself in a vulnerable situation like being very very drunk (with out being with a group of mates to protect you) and walking through parks and allies at night.
Thereโs a wonderful group called โthose pesky damesโ who educate on sociology and physiology around rape culture.
Might be worth researching on why people rapeโฆand youโll find rape statistics are increased ten fold the more patriarchal and misogynist a society and even religion affects this.
โsex is something two people do, not something you do to meโ
So sorry to hear that p0ly, such tragic newsโฆstay strong love
Remember people, stay safe and be aware !
@Tank Girl 496676 wrote:
Indeed, I have heard of it and know it happens internationally, and I am even joined up with slutwalk uk and UK feminista on facebook and still missed it!!!
I didnt realsie there is another page slutwalk london โ and all the info was on there โ Iโd have thought it would have been advertised / organised with better communication.. I actually first heard of it last year on radio 4, on womans hour!!!
@Izbeckistan 496684 wrote:
Yep same here, heard about it the day before so not enough time to plan it
Just keep your ears to the ground for the next one
I think people are getting way too complacent in the Internet age, not just with this but other campaigns โ they think their voice is most important and will be heard over and above others (with much more power and resources than them) by magic, they donโt take control over the campaign communications because thats โreinforcing traditional power structuresโ (so messages get diluted) and also shout so much about problems but not solutions (or when solutions โarenโt niceโ then they clam up). I am always having this discussion with people in the Transition/environment movements.
often you get two extremes โ people shouting about bad news without solutions, and others trying to advance โniceโ solutions but ignoring bad news or ignoring working solutions of others because they donโt agree with the group what did it.
For instance I donโt agree with the politics of the current Government, but nothing positive has been said by many of the more โmilitantโ feminist groups about Theresa May bringing in legislation to charge youth offenders for teenage domestic violence which was something that was overlooked until recently but was a big problem โ when I myself read about a Police initiative here and posted on the forum โsurely thata a bit intrusive to the youths?โ a young lad of from this area who was then 17 openly admitted on here that it was a big problem. I donโt like tories any more than they do but at least something has been done. Also a lot of the campaign groups seem to ignore the fact that by removing the nightlife venues where flashpoints and risks occur removes much of the risk of stranger / acquaintance attacks, leaving the cops with more resources to target against assaults as part of domestic violence. When public sector budgets are tight, most councils and communities accept the sacrifice of โweekend freedomโ this entails.
@Izbeckistan 496685 wrote:
Rape more than often is about power and not sex. If a guy has the mentality to happily rape a womanโฆheโll do it, regardless of how she is dressed.
What I mean is when rapist walks through a park and sees a target, hes not โmore likelyโ to rape her just because of how sexy sheโs dressed.
this is why I feel a wider zero tolerance policy on any form of violence should be enforced โ most sex offenders and domestic abusers are also involved in violent crimes against people (from being regularly involved in fights at high school to fighting at night time venues). Even many stranger and attackers are not โwierd old solitary lonersโ but physically strong angry men who commit these crimes to take power over others. BTW in this town even pre-economic depression and until the feds started clamping down at night there was always a risk (as a man) someone would attack you not for sexual reasons but simply because they saw you having more fun than them and didnโt like itโฆ
@General Lighting 496688 wrote:
this is why I feel a wider zero tolerance policy on any form of violence should be enforced โ most sex offenders and domestic abusers are also involved in violent crimes against people (from being regularly involved in fights at high school to fighting at night time venues). Even many stranger and attackers are not โwierd old solitary lonersโ but physically strong angry men who commit these crimes to take power over others. BTW in this town even pre-economic depression and until the feds started clamping down at night there was always a risk (as a man) someone would attack you not for sexual reasons but simply because they saw you having more fun than them and didnโt like itโฆ
Couldnโt agree more, we need a zero tolerance on all violent crimes. Even minor ones.
zero tolerance? there are too many exceptions in real life that say otherwiseโฆ.zero tolerance is a facist approach to solve problems,
Even a โzero toleranceโ policy would still allow genuine cases of self defence. the problem with England at present (which may not exist in many other better run countries) is that too much fighting and violence is tolerated when there is no need for it, when others are trying to have fun. Often what we would call a โzero toleranceโ policy here is in reality normal policy for any Northern European country. For instance the rules used to calm down nightlife in Ipswich were lifted straight from Amsterdam where they have worked.
where Englandโs culture differs is that we have too much tolerance of selfish individualism at the expense of decent group behaviour, and a โmight make rightโ culture which is already neofascist and is being used to control and intimidate others on many nightlife scenes. Why else did Breivik make so many friends here, and has he many supporters even on music scenes where you would not expect them to be? Already we canโt have anything like mysteryland or distortion without it turning into carnage. the problems at v festival are widely discussed on another thread, and were there not 6 000 to 10 000 cops at Notting Hill Carnival people would get killed. Thatโs the reality of English public events..
Of course it would be nice to have more acceptance of EDM events but these security problems and our binge culture with regard to pills and booze here (another thing not found as much across the sea) is the main reason why, not even the Police or others in authority. they are now openly saying that they will accept safe, well run events, they just want people to behave nicely to each other at them.
PS: another big problem in some parts of England, is that violent folk can deliberately start fights (even amongst themselves) in a music venue, and even if they are arrested and charged the event promoters and/or venue owners are also judged at Licensing hearings for โnot running a safe venueโ โ and then their event is discouraged or the legitimate business is closed down as well so everyone loses outโฆ the reality is we already have a zero tolerance policy in many areas but its directed at the nightlife itself, rather than at the people who are causing the problem โ the violent criminals.
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