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@Chrispydelic 531958 wrote:
there is a coverup over this
by whom?
St Johns Wart is an example I can think of off the top of my head that is proven to be an effective SSRI so your assumption that the “only ‘proven’ remedies are the ones that can only be synthesised in a lab by large pharmaceutical companies” can be shown to be false with 2 seconds worth of thought…
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i thought st johns wort was an alternative medicine though?
Therefore surely you must think that any of these are better Photographthesun…
Citalopram
Escitalopram
Fluoxetine
Paroxetine
Sertraline
And the doctor will give you a script for any of these, but not for a plant tincture st johns wort.
@Chrispydelic 531958 wrote:
Yes it is becoming increasingly more evident that cannabis oil is able to treat some cancers (and it probably has lots of other undiscovered medical uses also). There is science behind these claims and yes, there is a coverup over this as there is with vitamin b12 and the fact that most of the products that we use in our day to day lives contain products that are known carcinogens like SLS.
Keeping people sick is big business, Unless they could be cured by stuff that they could grow themselves in their backyards, in which case it’s touted as nonsense. The only ‘proven’ remedies are the ones that can only be synthesised in a lab by large pharmaceutical companies. I wonder why?
Thank you Chrispy.
Photographthesun, I don’t have a problem with you and I respect your opinions, but do you have to be such a passive-agressive wanker?
Repeat after me:
“Big pharma being shit does not mean magic beans cure cancer.” -Ben Goldacre
@barrettone 531977 wrote:
Repeat after me:
“Big pharma being shit does not mean magic beans cure cancer.” -Ben Goldacre
Indeed – as I said they do some shit things but it is thanks to them that we have cures for many of the diseases we do and many painkillers etc.
@photographthesun 531960 wrote:
by whom?
St Johns Wart is an example I can think of off the top of my head that is proven to be an effective SSRI so your assumption that the “only ‘proven’ remedies are the ones that can only be synthesised in a lab by large pharmaceutical companies” can be shown to be false with 2 seconds worth of thought…
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By whom?
By the Giant companies that produce the drugs that are prescribed to us. Now if it was found that you could achieve the same effects from some herbs that you found in your garden or that you could purchase the seeds for to grow, do you think they would be happy to let us know about that? Of course not because there’s no money in it for them. They are going to push the remedies that only they can produce. So they can charge lots and lots of lovely money.
So by my saying that the only ‘proven’ remedies are the ones produced by the pharma companies I am implying that they poo-poo the natural remedies that do really work and try to steer people towards their synthetic wonder drugs that we are so reliant upon them for.
@Chrispydelic 531982 wrote:
By whom?
By the Giant companies that produce the drugs that are prescribed to us. Now if it was found that you could achieve the same effects from some herbs that you found in your garden or that you could purchase the seeds for to grow, do you think they would be happy to let us know about that? Of course not because there’s no money in it for them. They are going to push the remedies that only they can produce. So they can charge lots and lots of lovely money.
So by my saying that the only ‘proven’ remedies are the ones produced by the pharma companies I am implying that they poo-poo the natural remedies that do really work and try to steer people towards their synthetic wonder drugs that we are so reliant upon them for.
His statement – “St Johns Wart is an example I can think of off the top of my head that is proven to be an effective SSRI” even proves this, LOL!
st johns wort is a herbal ssri. just like valerian root is a sleep remedy and guess what… the doctors told my sis she should take st johns wort instead of the chemical shit to see if it helps years ago and it did.
if you have personal experience in the uk of being mistreated with medication then please share your experiences because i don’t know of it happening to be honest. thought that was a yank thing prescribing kids who are a lil bit naughty at 4-5 amphet for their entire school life and probs after due to chronic addiction and mental burnout.
Depending on your doctor- he or she might tell you to give herbal remedies a go, but not all docs do that, and you can’t get it on script as i said.
It’s also big in australia every kid is on Dexys :hopeless:
@DeezNuts 531978 wrote:
Indeed – as I said they do some shit things but it is thanks to them that we have cures for many of the diseases we do and many painkillers etc.
Yeah, pretty much. I mean, the thing is there will probably never be a ‘cure’ for cancer in the way we think of it, because that’s not how cancer works. What we call “cancer” refers to a group of over 200 different diseases. There are basic similarities among them in terms of how they attack the body, but they often require completely different treatments to be effective:
Cancer Research’s 40th Anniversary: How Far Have We Come? | TIME.com
@Chrispy: Obviously the medicinal companies are going to act in their best interests, but they have to answer to the government, and a lot of studies have to be done to ensure that something is both safe and effective. Independent studies ARE done on “natural remedies” and while some of them (ie. st john’s wort) do have some benefits, a lot of them have been proven not to work. For example here’s a study on an alternative therapy that works:
Finding Science in Acupuncture – WSJ.com
Hence why places like the Mayo Clinic and Duke University Medical Centre now offer acupuncture. It doesn’t cure diseases, but it does relieve stress and help reduce some pains.
Proposed mechanisms for homeopathy are physically impossible – Grimes – 2012 – Focus on Alternative and Complementary Therapies – Wiley Online Library
Article about it here: Column: Homeopathy isn
A study on how homeopathy is incapable of working, on a physical level.
There will ALWAYS be special interest groups (ie. pharmaceuticals) but alternative remedy businesses are also special interest groups. Medications that pharmaceuticals offer you undergo extensive testing and regulation by independent bodies to ensure they are safe. There are fuckups sometimes but mistakes do unfortunately happen.
If it turns out to be true that marijuana can cure cancer, then it will be definitively published in a peer-reviewed journal, once all the data is collected. If/once that happens, the legality of it is an issue with governments.
I find it so interesting that cannabis has this massive following of CANCER CURING AMAZING HERBAL GIFT FROM GOD type stuff but just so happens to be the most popular abused drug on the planet? Bit of a coincidence that the thing everyone wants to be legal so they can get high off it is such an amazing tool for everything good in the world! or so some people seem to make out.
TBH if i get cancer i’m gonna carve up Emilio Rebenga then head to USA and start cooking Meth. Guaranteed win.
I KILL A COMMUNIST FOR FUN
BUT FOR A GREEN CARD, I’M GONNA CARVE HIM UP REAL NICE
Fuck god…!
Mother nature supplied us with everything we need, we just gotta work it all out.
@barrettone 531986 wrote:
Yeah, pretty much. I mean, the thing is there will probably never be a ‘cure’ for cancer in the way we think of it, because that’s not how cancer works. What we call “cancer” refers to a group of over 200 different diseases. There are basic similarities among them in terms of how they attack the body, but they often require completely different treatments to be effective:
Cancer Research’s 40th Anniversary: How Far Have We Come? | TIME.com
[/Quote]Cheers for that first link, was an interesting read and gave me information for something I didn’t know.
I don’t see weed as some amazing cure all thing, I don’t even really like it anymore it’s made me an introverted asshole, but you can’t dispute the fact that it has quite a few medicinal properties with significantly less side effects.
@DeezNuts 531998 wrote:
Cheers for that first link, was an interesting read and gave me information for something I didn’t know.
I don’t see weed as some amazing cure all thing, I don’t even really like it anymore it’s made me an introverted asshole, but you can’t dispute the fact that it has quite a few medicinal properties with significantly less side effects.
so what you’re trying to tell me is, cannabis is the best medicine than other medicines for things which you haven’t listed with less side effects? I’m not so sure about that tbh, i haven’t looked at cannabis data for a few years due to it always being biased.
so how does cannabis cancer treatment work and are there any examples of people with chronic cancer who took some thc and were cured because i’ve never actually heard of it. just some info about it has anti cancer properties… though i’ve heard that about various foods and tea and all sorts.
@DeezNuts 531998 wrote:
Cheers for that first link, was an interesting read and gave me information for something I didn’t know.
I don’t see weed as some amazing cure all thing, I don’t even really like it anymore it’s made me an introverted asshole, but you can’t dispute the fact that it has quite a few medicinal properties with significantly less side effects.
I don’t disagree. I don’t smoke it that often but the occasional spliff does wonders for my stress levels. There is some encouraging evidence that cannabis/thc might shrink tumours a bit, but the news like to sensationalise things, especially when it comes to cancer. One needs to be a bit more cautious before saying “[INSERT TREATMENT HERE] CURES CANCER!!!” They put that in their news because it sells. Once more evidence/data is collected then we can see whether it is true or not. Stuff like the cold fusion hoax in the 80s always makes me wait for repeatable experiments and publications in trusted sources before I accept any “silver bullet” claims. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
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