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@DeezNuts 531911 wrote:

Btw if you actually bothered to look at the list of references I sent you, you would see respected publications, lol.

Please tell me thats a joke…

The Huffington Post (a newspaper)
The American Alliance for Medical Cannabis
norml-uk.org (a site working to reform cannabis law)

@The Psyentist 531914 wrote:

I’d say in some cases it’s a fate worse than death. I watched my auntie and more recently my grandmother both die from a combination of cancer and chemo.

Why do we have such difficulty in letting members of our own species succumb to death when we readily terminate domesticated and wild animals the moment we’re able to justify to ourselves we can’t cover the cost of treatment or we convince ourselves the animal is in disrepair? Why is attitude not applied to humans?

Instead we frequently extend their suffering (while convincing ourselves we’re expanding their life). Made me sick to see how much my grandmother was allowed to deteriorate but artificially kept alive on a concoction of various chemicals. When it’s someone’s time they should be allowed to pass as nature intends.

Trying to extend life with drugs that can have terrible side effects and cost a lot of money is a big medical ethical issue. Personally I would rather palliative care if I was that far gone. Very interesting subject medical ethics.

My grandma was kept alive with a ventilator and medication when I was a kid well beyond what was comfortable or what I would deem kind (couldn’t speak, lots of feeding tubes and lots of pain). Its an area of ethics that society really does seem to be looking into more and more which can only be a good thing.

@photographthesun 531915 wrote:

Trying to extend life with drugs that can have terrible side effects and cost a lot of money is a big medical ethical issue. Personally I would rather palliative care if I was that far gone. Very interesting subject medical ethics.

My grandma was kept alive with a ventilator and medication when I was a kid well beyond what was comfortable or what I would deem kind. Its an area of ethics that society really does seem to be looking into more and more which can only be a good thing.

What disturbed me the most about witnessing this was the fact my grandma was that high on morphine she was in no mental state to accept or deny the treatment but they gave it her anyway. As a grandchild it’s pretty distressing to go see your dying grandmother in a hospice only for her to later get a nurse to ring me requesting a visit because she had no recollection of my earlier visit. Prior to her illness she was ‘all there’ mentally but with all the drugs coursing through her system she didn’t even no what day of the week it was and was occasionally unable to identify her own family members. Sorry I’m ranting on a topic totally unrelated to the thread.

@The Psyentist 531917 wrote:

What disturbed me the most about witnessing this was the fact my grandma was that high on morphine she was in no mental state to accept or deny the treatment but they gave it her anyway. As a grandchild it’s pretty distressing to go see your dying grandmother in a hospice only for her to later get a nurse to ring me requesting a visit because she had no recollection of my earlier visit. Prior to her illness she was ‘all there’ mentally but with all the drugs coursing through her system she didn’t even no what day of the week it was and was occasionally unable to identify her own family members. Sorry I’m ranting on a topic totally unrelated to the thread.

Try seeing this 3 times then you’ll understand why I have a dislike for chemotherapy.

@The Psyentist 531925 wrote:

Yes she was in pain, hence the morphine. But they also continued administering treatment in a futile attempt to continue battling the cancer. I fully believe she would have passed at least 6 months before she did had the treatment minus painkillers been withdrawn. Yeah I had a grandmother (barely) for 6 months longer but that was just additional suffering and disorientation for her.

That’s really sad; society really needs to ask some important questions about how we chose to use medications that extend life but also extend suffering. I think I will start saving up for Dignitas.

@The Psyentist 531931 wrote:

I know. I’m aware and understand why euthanasia is such a controversial topic but I personally am a supporter of it. I certainly wouldn’t ever want to be reduced to the existence my grandmother and so many others have had to endure.

I would also fully support euthanasia. Hopefully as traditional religions continue to die out in England we can start to have more of an open debate on the subject.

Also family members trying to get their hands on grandparents comodities.