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the procedure sounds grubby, and i would vote against it if i could, but i think that abortions are a brilliant thing. ive never got a girl preggers so i havent had the shite side yet. i do think there are too many idiots spawning offspring, so the less idiot babies around the best as far as i’m concerned.

D&E (or late term abortions) are actually performed very rarely – the NHS is very strict about monitoring the number of abortions carried out in this country and most of them happen in the early part of a pregnancy. I checked the DH/ONS official stats and there were just a handful of cases.

I appreciate that the net may be a good way of getting an opinion across, but it would help Lynn/Mary’s case if she would perhaps explain why she found it necessary to start this discussion on all these message boards under different names, and what alternative solutions she has to the real problem of unwanted pregnancies – and if she is from a campaign group to admit what this group is and its campaigning angle.

its a damned odd way TBH to start off a discussion on a board devoted to raves – OTOH perhaps someone in this ladies family (or the lady herself) has suffered the pain of an abortion which is why she feels so strongly about it.

A progressive solution would be to limit the use of this method as much as possible, for the NHS to always challenge whether it is the most appropriate method of termination given the circumstances – or better still to discourage terminations except on certain medical grounds or where the woman has been a victim of rape – and to keep educating people from a young age about the need to use contraception, to make use of family planning services and to ensure these services are readily available to all who may need them.

I think the right to choose is a good thing – I’m not a fan of abortion as it is essentially terminating the start of a life; but its far better than a child growing up unloved and uncared for – or a panicked young mother just abandoning a newborn baby in some random place which still happens even today.

i am pro-life.
contraceptives failure and the best way of avoiding an unwanted pregnancy, abortion and sexually transmitted diseases, is to wait to have sex until you are ready to have a child and are married to some one who loves you.

so why didn’t you just have the courage to say that in the first place? and why all the different names?

its similar advice to what the nuns in one of my old primary schools gave me in the early 1980s (due to multiple changes of schools as my family moved across Berkshire i somehow managed to end up getting both Catholic sex education and the more liberal kind) ; but even then it was clear that whatever people said young people were indulging in pre-marital sex despite the best efforts of the religious lobby.

you are not going to stop young people having sex any more than you are going to stop them taking recreational drugs. My extended family are from Malaysia where are very strong Islamic and Catholic communities with strict values on drugs and pre-marital sex, yet these things happen all the time.

Contraceptives may have a failure rate – so do motor cars, planes, safety equipment for climbing and other safety-critical devices. Society has a failure rate, inasmuch that you may go out in the street and someone may take it upon themselves to rob or kill you.

There is risk in all parts of life and its up to individuals how much risk they are prepared to take.

I can understand your views to an extent but in this day and age it would be very difficult to change the way society has “progressed” – but I do not like the concept of abortion except in extreme circumstances (medical reasons or a conception caused by rape), and I do feel that it happens far too often these days. But this is often because young people have been scared away from contraception or denied access to family planning services by people lobbying against it.

if at all possible it may be a better idea to arrange for adoption by a couple who cannot concieve, and the NHS could perhaps put more effort into arranging this – perhaps by using their new computer systems to put mothers of unplanned babies in touch with a potential adoptive couple..

I am interested to know how you came across this site and why you have targeted it for your campaign – is it because you think that it is full of “irresponsible young people” who take a lot of risks with their lives?

you may be interested to see this – its not as if we don’t discuss these matters..

http://www.partyvibe.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2224&highlight=freshers+guide

Lynn, I have to say that you sound a little bit like you’re trying to preach to people. I don’t like the idea of abortion, but sometimes i think it is necessary. I’m a fairly bright person (and due to be a very happy new father in the next few weeks), but I think your level of propaganda is a bit beneath many of the members here :oh_god:

its also been done in a rather underhand manner. Why the differerent names, Mary?

Who is driving your campaign…. Jesus, or Michael Howard?