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  • TheWitchesCat wrote:
    Both would be equally applicable, the nerds hang in the council offices creating overtime for themselves and hassle for everyone else…

    ^..^

    not down here they don’t, the auditors (an even bigger bunch of nerds) found this out and grassed them up, and now a lot of their jobs got bangalored and others privatised (for instance private firms now run the customer service for the local Councils rather than the public sector!)

    That said, a fair few of these disaffected techie types have discovered cocaine, gyms and binge-drinking (OK the drugs and alcohol was always there but theres now a lot more anger) – some are indeed now literally fighting their corner on the streets

    Theres a massive rise in support for conservative political values and the extreme right amongst many British IT workers when once 95% of them would be very liberal/tolerant.

    Getting back to the original subject this is also how the cops have suddenly become so clued up about monitoring on-line rave discussions, its a mixture of ex-IT workers actually becoming cops and others (who may once have been ravers!) passing on info as “consultants..”

    General Lighting wrote:
    That said, a fair few of these disaffected techie types have discovered cocaine, gyms and binge-drinking (OK the drugs and alcohol was always there but theres now a lot more anger) – some are indeed now literally fighting their corner on the streets

    Theres a massive rise in support for conservative political values and the extreme right amongst many British IT workers when once 95% of them would be very liberal/tolerant.

    Getting back to the original subject this is also how the cops have suddenly become so clued up about monitoring on-line rave discussions, its a mixture of ex-IT workers actually becoming cops and others (who may once have been ravers!) passing on info as “consultants..”

    Yeah! this has been my experience of peeps in IT industry… I think a lot of the tension was caused by the move to outsourcing and stagnation of wages … I got into IT through music so I see it differently it was never a “career” thing for me…

    Anyway getting back to subject, the cops are employing a lot more intelligence gathering to everything, their FIT teams go everywhere with them, filming peeps at parties on protests, clocking up the data, new policing is about containment and undermining infrastructure…

    However I have often wondered if they actually have the capability to process all this data they collect…

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    TheWitchesCat wrote:
    However I have often wondered if they actually have the capability to process all this data they collect…

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    10-15 years ago they didnt (but they have kept the data logged even from those days) Now I suspect they do. They may not be 100% accurate but they don’t need to be.

    The stubborn and loud youths who brag about their activities actually assist the cops with their evidence gathering, as they upload photos of raves onto social networks where they often post with their real names and link to all their friends. :you_crazy

    General Lighting wrote:
    The stubborn and loud youths who brag about their activities actually assist the cops with their evidence gathering, as they upload photos of raves onto social networks where they often post with their real names and link to all their friends. :you_crazy

    I guess on a personal level this is ok but others in pics may not have the same views, I try to be open and accountable for my actions, I take drugs I believe I have a right to get together with friends and party if it doesn’t cause suffering to others, yup, im quite happy to argue the legitimacy of doing so, but then I have a responsibility to others for instance the kind person who supplied me with the drugs the peeps who invested their hard earned cash in a rig so that I can enjoy myself… a wee bit of thought and common sense goes a long way…

    TheWitchesCat wrote:
    I guess on a personal level this is ok but others in pics may not have the same views, I try to be open and accountable for my actions, I take drugs I believe I have a right to get together with friends and party if it doesn’t cause suffering to others, yup, im quite happy to argue the legitimacy of doing so, but then I have a responsibility to others for instance the kind person who supplied me with the drugs the peeps who invested their hard earned cash in a rig so that I can enjoy myself… a wee bit of thought and common sense goes a long way…

    the main problem was that the latest crews were causing suffering to others. One bad trend was the practice of a party carrying on until Sunday evening – so a fair bit of the rubbish was left behind due to bad light (although there were attempts made to clear it up).

    Also the most recent crowds included angry young lads who would vandalise farms and machinery, and some even commited acts of cruelty against livestock. There is a lot of tension and anger at English raves, and a fair bit of misogyny amongst the lads there. This also creates a gender imbalance so the “decision-makers” in rave “communities” are often angry young males who are prepared to try and even physically fight law enforcement rather than using brains..

    Then lots of people started being indiscreet on public internet forums, where even words said in jest are can be used against people by those who don’t agree with what they are saying.

    The image of raves went from “harmless mischief” to “organised crime” in the space of two short years.. :hopeless:

    General Lighting wrote:
    the main problem was that the latest crews were causing suffering to others. One bad trend was the practice of a party carrying on until Sunday evening – so a fair bit of the rubbish was left behind due to bad light (although there were attempts made to clear it up).

    Also the most recent crowds included angry young lads who would vandalise farms and machinery, and some even commited acts of cruelty against livestock. There is a lot of tension and anger at English raves, and a fair bit of misogyny amongst the lads there. This also creates a gender imbalance so the “decision-makers” in rave “communities” are often angry young males who are prepared to try and even physically fight law enforcement rather than using brains..

    Then lots of people started being indiscreet on public internet forums, where even words said in jest are can be used against people by those who don’t agree with what they are saying.

    The image of raves went from “harmless mischief” to “organised crime” in the space of two short years.. :hopeless:

    Sad in a way but perhaps its evolution, things grow in popularity, become crap, new things grow out of them, if we are clever we learn by our mistakes…

    TheWitchesCat wrote:
    Sad in a way but perhaps its evolution, things grow in popularity, become crap, new things grow out of them, if we are clever we learn by our mistakes…

    Amen to that.

    General Lighting wrote:
    I don’t believe in running away from problems or creating the same problems in other areas.

    This clampdown happened for a reason and it wasn’t just blind prejudice.

    People were given lots of chances and pissed them up the wall.

    In 2003 I was saying both on here and even SJ that ravers shouldnt get complacent during the “good times” as the scene wasn’t being accepted by normal people, it was merely being grudgingly endured, and that if people didn’t take note of the bigger picture eventually the rest of society would fight back. This happened in 2004/5 in SE England and more recently in East Anglia.

    Not everyone can afford to travel to the other side of the country or even foreign lands just for a party – and it may be the case you are deep down no more welcome in those areas than in your original ends.

    Incidentally those of you who live in the Thames Valley shouldn’t get complacent. That BBC reporter also hinted that they thought ravers would move more towards the Thames Valley – many people are prepared to travel a few hundred miles despite high fuel costs (which again makes cops wonder “where is the money coming from?”). There has always been a crossover between the SE and Eastern England scenes even in the 90s, Brains Kan/Chronic Redeye had links with Oxford as well as Norwich.

    Anyway, I’m definitely staying put in East Anglia anyway as other than raves my life has been the best it has ever been, I’ve got a good career, my own house, am earning a reasonable amount and I don’t want to risk any of it just for a weekend of fun.

    Nor indeed do I want to contribute to any social problems by my actions – I’ve calmed down my lifestyle and don’t encourage younger people to overuse drugs either on this forum or in real life.

    I’m perfectly prepared to accept a compromise of well-run legal events even if it means paying a fiver or accepting a defined finish time…

    I completely agree with you, and am well up for helping people get TENS events sorted. However, for my to get the job,lifestyles and music that I want, I have to move away as there just aren’t the opportunities for me round here.

    TheWitchesCat wrote:
    Sad in a way but perhaps its evolution, things grow in popularity, become crap, new things grow out of them, if we are clever we learn by our mistakes…

    the sad thing is I’ve just seen exactly the same mistakes being made in 3 regions, London, the SE and now Eastern England. People won’t listen to a bit of “bad news” when things are “good” even if it prevents problems later.

    some of the ravers seem to be getting dumber whilst the cops are getting smarter (and/or the smarter crews have stopped partying already)

    maybe there will be some legal events but lots of people here are stubborn and some may rather sulk than attend one.

    incidentally the feds may have saved the fields and forests from a bit of litter, but sadly they won’t stop the drugs and may well make this issue a lot worse. Lots of people will turn to binge drinking instead – others will carry on doing more and more ketamine in their own homes or with smaller cliques of friends.

    In areas where cops have been succesfull in stopping raves (both unlicensed and legal), it is now the case many youths bypass the “party drugs” scene and go straight on to heroin and crack. Definitely seems to be the case in towns like Colchester and Ipswich (the places which first went zero tolerance against raves as long as 7-8 years ago!)

    Expect to see the addiction, drug-related mental and physical health problems and even suicide rates increase in East Anglia in the next few years as they are already doing in other regions..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LydmL0Y3Wsg#GU5U2spHI_4

    someone’s upped it ‘pon the Yootube

    General Lighting wrote:
    Expect to see the addiction, drug-related mental and physical health problems and even suicide rates increase in East Anglia in the next few years as they are already doing in other regions..

    and you can guarantee that even tho raves in that area are now few and far between, they will no doubt blame those issues on the rave culture.

    djprocess wrote:
    and you can guarantee that even tho raves in that area are now few and far between, they will no doubt blame those issues on the rave culture.

    In suffolk they already have done.

    when the prostitutes started going missing there was several reports about how at least two of the younger ones “got into drugs through club/party culture”. Also Zest nightclub got shot up and because Garage mob call their events “raves” the media and cops think its “all the same”

    a former DJ even sold his story about “how Ipswich went downhill due to drugs in the 90s” to the papers :hopeless:

    I see they have been at it again. Why party nature reserve area that has already been partied/ busted (on the news). It is a beauty spot for goodness sake many people go and chillout there during the weekend they dont want to be surrounded by hundreds of ravers.It Houses at top of track, caravan park half mile up coast it is going to effect people maybe not sound levels if rig is on beach over the sand dunes, but the number of cars/ lighting will.

    General Lighting wrote:
    In suffolk they already have done.

    when the prostitutes started going missing there was several reports about how at least two of the younger ones “got into drugs through club/party culture”.

    yeah tbh i didnt even think they said they got into it through the free party seen, but just that one of them used to go to free partys. I mean what has that got to do with anything?! im sure she was into drugs before she went to her first free party and im sure it wasnt raves that turned her to prositution. So why mention it or even bring it up, apart from the obvious reason of it tarnishing the free party name. It also pisses me off how they call it an illegal rave rather than free party every time its in the news, it just makes it sound a lot worse. even illegal party wouldnt sound that bad.

    jack_daniels wrote:
    I see they have been at it again. Why party nature reserve area that has already been partied/ busted (on the news). It is a beauty spot for goodness sake many people go and chillout there during the weekend they dont want to be surrounded by hundreds of ravers.It Houses at top of track, caravan park half mile up coast it is going to effect people maybe not sound levels if rig is on beach over the sand dunes, but the number of cars/ lighting will.

    your famous now dontcha know!

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