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  • The 90s protests were being discussed on another forum, and people mentioned how although most of the public was actually behind the anti Poll Tax protests but less of them supported the anti-CJA protests because of the image ravers/travellers and squatters had since got.

    I’m not sure if theres any easy solution.

    Your average man or woman in the street these days is actually supportive (even if they don’t want to get involved) of stuff like protests against nuclear weapons or climate destruction, many aren’t even that hostile to immigration, but ravers have pissed on their own chips (and more than once).

    a lot of it is also due to kids getting nicked for other crime/anti social behaviour and them/their solicitors telling the Court “I got into drugs from the rave/free party scene” rather than accepting that it was their individual choice…

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    The 90s protests were being discussed on another forum, and people mentioned how although most of the public was actually behind the anti Poll Tax protests but less of them supported the anti-CJA protests because of the image ravers/travellers and squatters had since got.

    WOW, just reminissed there,
    had some fun times after the many many anti-CJA rallys I went on:love:
    even catch a glimps of meself in the intro to human traffic at one 😉

    was good for looting & chuckin bricks at buildings and policeraaa

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    I Reckn jack Daniels should use this as his avitar 🙂

    We need Raver Reprisentive in parliment Ali g style that would shut em up

    i love how they talk about ‘all the mess’ and then zoom in on about 2 plastic bottles…which are getting cleared up!

    and the talk of making money?? i may be wrong but free parties have never struck me as an expensive night out as a consumer!!??

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    i’m sure there are some good arguments against free parties but surely these arent them!!

    I’m sure this has been seen before by many and most probably posted!
    But i was looking through old videos and found this news reports on Raves and how they are dealt with!
    There’s even a little clip of a partyvibe forum so whoever posted theres 5 seconds of fame for you!
    enjoy:

    “trying to clean up”?

    they were cleaning up

    some of my mates are in the heli footage in the first video.. I think its from 2008 or so and the amount of kit in their special ops room give a idea of how seriously things were being taken.

    Them dual monitor stands alone and wide screen monitors would have been about £300-500 back then. mind you even my two LED’s and stand is about £250 worth. A dual head graphics card wasn’t that cheap either, especially as the public services often bought the middle-top range Dell kit (some sort of bulk contract). Dell were virtually giving it away in comparison to what private individuals would pay but even then it was a fair bit of taxpayers money.

    The older woman is either talking on a telephone circuit or onto the Airwave radio, the young detective sat at the computer has his airwave handset to the left of him. the keyboard on the female officers machine is from the early 2000s which gives an idea of how long that ops room has existed for. Certainly around 2004/5 it slowly started ramping up the enforcement gaainst raves.

    Both of them can talk directly to a landowner or local yokel grass on the normal telephone which wasn’t as easy before without going through VK (the main controll room, you miay have heard their name mentioned by the heli) which is of course handling all the other comms traffic on a saturday night. In previous days there was a limit to how many circuits could be switched to special ops as they had to go through British Telecom cable and there often wasn’t enough in the Police station. Now with VOIP the comms can be sent anywhere where a desktop computer exists.

    note how the BBC cameras have been kept a distance, and how many computer monitorrs are cleverly angled towards each other rather than all straight and have a extra filter sheet on them. Normally if you point a video camera at a monitor, particularly the decent ones Auntie have, you will see everything on there, but these monitors have been filtered (each one of them sheets is about £40-£50). I get asked about them at work (as some monitors display peoples confidential medical info) but when the managers see the price of what is basicallly a sheet of glass or polycarbonate they just suggest to the staff that the monitors are positioned so casual visitors cannot see them (at worst case a VGA extension cable is about £15).

    Its more likely to be someone like the young detective reading PV (one the filtered monitors) than the older “Gentle Touch” type inspector, as she wouldn’t know the rave slang and/or be more emotionally affected by her work as there is a very good chance she has teenage or young adult kids of her own (who may well be rebelling) and is really concerned by the issues regarding drug addiction and organised crime that raves pose. The young lad (or a similar female officer) without kids who is the same age as the ravers or maybe only slightly older, backed up by a DS or DI about my age (who is either single, childless, or estranged from his wife/kids), would handle the job better. although that does sound like a film script this actually is true – I have to do a certain amount of security related work nowadays and it helps to be emotionally detatcheed from the people you are monitoring/judging, and not to place excessive faith in trust and human relationships. this is advisable not just for cops but journalists, IT security managers. forensic accountants and security/investigative workers of all kinds.

    Forget all the 90s stories of corrupt cops “turing a blind eye” and reselling the drugs, nowadays its not worth their badge and shield (there are random drugs tests) to do so, events such as terrorism, riots and recession and the knock on effects of drugs culture have made many people more accepting of the cops role in society even its only begrudgingly.

    A younger person who joins up knows that they aren’t going to be popular anyway with their own peer group so they have already psychologically prepared for having to bring their peers to judgement, at the same time todays lot are less likely to simply try and fit someone up to get a “result” like a older cop with kids might do “for the children”. After all they don’t need to when people brag about crime on facebook anyway and post pictures.

    BTW He is very likely to be University educated, intelligent, articulate. if you encountered him he’d come across as a relatively friendly cop in comparison to the meatheads of the 1970s/1980s, but you’d still get arrested end up getting a long lecture about why what you are doing is wrong and that its not your call (or even his) to disagree with the laws and take direct action for such a trivial matter like playing music when licenses are available, and that other crimes occur at raves. Yet that same cop would turn up at a Sizewell protest or one against NHS cuts (all of which have happened loads recently without incident) and maybe take some photos of protesters but do absolutely jack shit else unless they actively tried to disrupt the power station or damage property.

    Also dell kit was shit for consumers .. but top notch for the “bulk” buy customers you were talking about (and still is). They fit out allot of companies with really neat gear .. but the stuff from them you buy in the shops it’s cringe worthy .. even Alienware (a gaming pc/lap top making company bought out by dell) has gone to shit recently. Still there business deals are honerd and them companies get properly kitted out whit the best stuff.

    I’d even go as far as to suggest, if you are buying a home pc build it your self, but if you own a business … go dell … even tho i hate them for the way they treat regular (single) consumers! (obv they go where the cash is)

    just before moving here I worked in public service myself in the IT/Finance Department of a Government Department. Me and my colleagues could see details of every purchase of computers this department bought and how much they paid.

    however the war started and loads of offices got downsized often weeks after Dell delivered the PC’s, but the IT bods had already unpacked them and set them up, only to be told to put them back in the boxes and send them straight back to Dell.

    These all got sold off cheaply as open boxes on Dell Outlet, a friend of mine there (a very smart Pakistani accountant) picked up a top range one for his family. Even in 2006 after I had left Government Service, for some bizzare reason my trade union kept sending me all sorts of stuff like details of downsizing and even ballot papers – even though I had a chat and a drink with the rep the day I handed in my badge literally had to do this in a underground car park (as I first had to use it to open the roller doors otherwise I wouldn’t have been able to get my bike out without setting off the emergency exit alarms). This is however why until recently most of my offices are fitted out with good quality Dell PCs (and the telephone systems).

    Getting back to the cops though, that is a lot of decent kit in there, and a very well laid out and thought out ops room. I think its the same one they use for murders/rapes/stabbings – and looking out for ravers doesn’t eat into theese resources, especialy when increasingly there are links with the wider drugs culture and other serious youth crime. As early as 2006 two serving officers (including one former raver) openly told me that they would be stepping up rave enforcement due to the “bigger picture” – of course most ravers are harmless but the mental effect of drugs can send people completely over the edge and do “out of character” things. Even putting aside the coppers spin, my own independent research and verifiable sources including many posts on here from good people confirm that as much bad shit is happening at unlicensed raves as as licensed premises (which themselves are coming under scrutiny).

    On a lighter note (apart from the officers involved), there is plenty of space, which is important for Norfolk coppers as from observation they tend to be on the larger side girthwise, in comparison to suffolk, metpol, hantspol and TVP.

    The chairs used by public service workers are often given code letters as they are different for the size and weight of their user (which is fair enough for health purposes) but are sourced from a variety of places rather than one standard supplier. I bet some of them chairs are what are known as “type Foxtrot Bravo” :laugh_at:

    Plus I’ve got as good kit as them now for far less cash, way better audio and multiple VOIP circuits 😉

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