Party Vibe

@hat 445097 wrote:

yeah.. well they get so many applications, they need excuses to cut people out of the list. criminal records only really matter on some courses, they’re more important when you apply for like medicine and stuff. not surprised that boy didn’t get it, medicine is SO competitive, don’t even look at going into it if you so much as have a speeding ticket.

i just think it’s all a little bit silly!

I can understand this for medicine, nursing, childcare, teaching and other courses what involve looking after vulnerable people but I feel the CRB bit should be done by the uni themselves and not as part of the UCAS application.

its also why I don’t do voluntary work of any kind as another organisation often then sees my CRB and its a small world in the sector I work it, and info easily leaks out if not locked down – if it leak out to my employers clients or potential clients that they employ overgrown chavs in their late 30s who spend a proportion of their time chatting to teenagers about drugs on pro-drugs websites it can cost us money!

Ironically nowadays many public funded drugs counselling organisations would not take me on as a counsellor because I’ve not had enough problems nor punishment from drug use to be able to discourage young people from taking drugs which is what they want – many are no longer interested in harm reduction since the change in government, as being too “liberal” puts their funding at risk.

@hat 445115 wrote:

gl – i don’t know if UCAS pass on info about your criminal record?

They would be in breach of privacy / data protection laws (the sort of things what got Murdoch’s lot busted) to collect it without lawful excuse. Incidentally I’m fairly certain my sister (who did work for the NHS at one point in her life) not only had to supply info to UCAS but also to the NHS anyway – which shows how pointless it is UCAS collecting it is in the first place.

I think there is a much bleaker undertone to why there has been no progress on the drugs debate in England 20 years as well as other issues affecting young people (this thread could easily have cropped up 10 or 20 years ago with other drugs being mentioned) – life for teenagers is as shit as it was for me decades ago and actually seems harsher in some respects, even if you have a bit more cash and nicer toys.

England is made out to be a free country, faith groups have less overt power in society (compared even to other European nations), we are multicultural and other than age of consent, people are allowed to form relationships with whoever they wish, and breed freely – arranged/forced marriages are now very rare amongst most British people (they do still happen and not just in the Asian communities though!).

This and the welfare safety nets mean that in some areas parenthood starts at an early age in comparison with other nations – where I live you’d think girls/women got menopause at age 25, as they are in such a hurry to have babies (even educated professional women with University education!).

The harsh facts are this means that society can afford to throw kids / youths what continually buck the system onto the scrap heap from a very early age, as there are loads of kids around (200 are born every week in Ipswich!) unless their parents and immediate family care for them, often no one else really gives a shit – especially in times of economic depression. Kids are farmed like sheep and goats, this is basically what school college and uni is. whilst they usually aren’t eaten at the end – only the best ones fetch the highest prices..

I know a fair few single men of my age who moan about having to pay taxes for schools, childcare etc because they don’t have kids of their own – I don’t see it as a problem myself but people increasingly complain about contributing to wider society..

@Raj 445194 wrote:

Devil’s advocate follows:

I have personally seen people destroy their life and health using ketamine – it seems to do permanent damage to their minds as well as their bodies and they have become junkies. They persist in their mistaken belief that they are in control and deny they are addicts. Thats their call.
There are others who have tried it s few times and then walked away from it.

As a first aider its my view this is NOT a party drug – it disconnects you, your coordination is screwed and you cant feel pain. I am tired of finding people in ditches who cant communicate with you and have the start of hypothermia and still try to argue with you about how they are fine. Its a dirty drug and long term users end up looking older than their years – in my experience anything up to 20 years older than they actually are. Be responsible for yourself at parties – don’t ruin someone else’s fun by being in a state where you require care so that they can’t have a good time.

the worrying thing I’ve noticed (other than moving 150 miles and seeing folk in a totally different region make the exact same mistakes they did in my old ends) is how quickly recreational use becomes problematic use with this stuff.

What is also “worser and worser” is that in many cases ketamine clearly is used for self-medication but due to short term depression caused by overuse of MDMA and other party drugs – which can in fact be alleviated simply by taking a break from these drugs. its never been advisable or sustainable to take hard drugs during the week, even if you don’t have work or education to go to – it always fucks you over in the end simply from lack of sleep.

Further, the black economy associated with ketamine (which is basically how young people who are often NEETS can afford to keep replacing confiscated sound equipment in some areas despite zero tolerance) is now becoming well known not just to local (territorial) cops here but SOCA as well and cops as well Douane(border control/customs) authorities in foreign nations too.

Its arguable that one reason why cops are asking for silly money these days for licenses is as they clearly feel that its some way of getting back all the laundered drugs money they feel is going round the underground dance music scene, just as they did in the 90s. Ditto the harsher responses to illegal raves in many areas.

Cops and other public authorities aren’t muppets, they know exactly how many people are funding their lifestyles especially in a time of economic depression – just because todays politically correct policing and human rights means they can’t do the “ashes to ashes” type of stuff any more and fit people up without real evidence and small time users are treated leniently doesn’t mean they are going to roll over and let people continually take the piss with the law….

one thing I have noticed recently is when the authorities/govt admit to a drugs problem on the BBC and mainstream media, they are now wise to the fact it also publicises the drug, and have already got a crackdown planned or in place (I notice folk on here posting about droughts of ketamine in certain areas, which a few years ago was most unusual).