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I would happily sign it but being in Aussie, then again you may have found me in a pub behind the bar so O.K
I have heard both arguments for and against and believe it should be decriminalised but the one thing that will go against it happening that
at present I think trumps all argument is that it has no business or revenue attributes, there has been some shift in California, with company’s moving into the market because of the
income starting to be generated but conservative controlled business as of yet will not get involved with this market until there is either a large swing in public opinion or signs that
massive profit ( even very conservative boards of directors will bend to good returns for shareholders ) are available, With that in mind keep pushing the cause, because allowing it to
stay as it is will only benefit the criminal element who profit from it.
I think ti definitely does have business attributes based on 2 things.
1, a 1.4 billion euro bill the UK got from the EU, made so large in part from the black economy being taken into consideration for the 1st time (black economy is prostitution drugs etc.)
2, when the bastards refused to consider the last petition they said they understood that massive tax revenues and jobs would be dreated, but they didn’t wanna send the wrong message to kiddies……
wrong message, that’s a copout, they collect billions every year from alcohol, tobacco and my favourite tyre sales, I know you don’t think it is as bad but 8.2 billion tyre every year are disposed of in the world it is a 100 billion dollar industry which produces by products that are as poisonous and as difficult to safely dispose of as nuclear waste, only in way larger quantities. (personal rant over).
mate all the figures wont help you need to convince the public and with public opinion the government will slowly bend and the extra weight of possible corporate profit to help the sway.
Oh I don’t disagree with you at all. There are many bad things, they aren’t banned though. Look at nuts, seriously dangerous to some people but did they ban nuts, did they fuck, they put may contain juts on every item of food in the country.
we’ll have a discussion about insurance company’s and there cover the fuck out of your arse influence on legislation another day, just keep this in your mind though a little bald Indian once believed that change was possible as long as everyone just kept to the path and he succeeded against all odds, using none of the means that the empire he opposed where prepared for so you can make a difference if you believe you can and stay on the right path. Believing in yourself will improve your confidence and people gravitate to those with strength and confidence (fine line confidence/cockiness) a ripple can be a tsunami
@tryptameanie 984053 wrote:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114683/signatures/new
I WAS SIGNING IN THE NAME OF MY FATHER, AS HE HAS A BRITAIN PASSPORT, BUT WHEN I PUT HIS EMAIL ADDRESS, I THOUGHT , SHIT, HE GONNA RECEIVE MAILS AND WILL MAYBE SEE I MADE IT.
SO HAD TO STOP
@BaldEagle 984062 wrote:
we’ll have a discussion about insurance company’s and there cover the fuck out of your arse influence on legislation another day, just keep this in your mind though a little bald Indian once believed that change was possible as long as everyone just kept to the path and he succeeded against all odds, using none of the means that the empire he opposed where prepared for so you can make a difference if you believe you can and stay on the right path. Believing in yourself will improve your confidence and people gravitate to those with strength and confidence (fine line confidence/cockiness) a ripple can be a tsunami
I WISHED A FULL DRUG LEGALISATION DEBATE ON MY LAST THREAD AND WHERE REALLY ANGRY AND DISAPPOINTED ABOUT THE RESULT, EVEN DIDN’TRY TO KEEP IT ON VISIBILITY
@iliesse 984066 wrote:
I WAS SIGNING IN THE NAME OF MY FATHER, AS HE HAS A BRITAIN PASSPORT, BUT WHEN I PUT HIS EMAIL ADDRESS, I THOUGHT , SHIT, HE GONNA RECEIVE MAILS AND WILL MAYBE SEE I MADE IT.
SO HAD TO STOP
just as well you did – I checked how the system works and it is to be fair cross checked against UK citizens records to the same security level as voiting in a British election – at worst case you might even have got in trouble for electoral fraud and elder abuse – CH is for some reason one of the main countries responsible in sending scam/fraud mail to elderly British people.
unfortunately Europe wide our generation is under watch due to the level of family conflict in the 90s caused via the drugs scene, the conservatives now think we are going to take revenge on our parents (and this is the sort of thing that will get cops in more than one country working together…)
Although both my parents forgave me towards the end of their lives and they are now in Heaven (as they got married and stayed married ) – a vision I had of this in a dream was verified as spiritually valid by Saint Don Bosco, and Mother Mary Angelica (who has since gone up there herself) – BTW it is like one of those big retirement houses for the middle aged up the mountains in Tirol but with more woodland, and no motor cars (they do have electric and ISDN phones though).
Even with just two states legalizing it in America the prices on the black market have fallen massively. If California was to go full legal (they failed by ballot referendum in 2010 for whatever reason) then the whole house of cards would come down since they were #1 in production by tons and tons last time I looked.
There is a distinct difference between decriminalisation and liberalisation/legalisation – TBH I am exactly not sure how many pro-cannabis activists are aware of this and suspect that some of those who are aware of this are glossing over the wider implications
the first is already happening in areas of NL, DK, PT, CH (and to a lesser extent elsewhere in Europe, even if someone is caught by cops they now rarely get anything stronger than a warning or caution).
Liberalisation / legalisation implies the acceptance of a commercial market for the product, no different from sweets, electrical equipment or building supplies. So there would still have to be some regulation with regard to quality control / safety / social implications, and whether or not UK remains within EU it would still logically make sense for this to be done across the continent in the same way that NO and CH also follow EU agreed standards for product safety.
My only concern with full legalisation is the current type of “startup entrepreneur” who seems to be irrationally hostile to any kind of regulation that reduces their short term profits; I am already reading about USA cannabis products being of variable quality and processed with harsh chemicals like butagas and other worse (to the point the safety authorities have detected a high level of solvent residue in the end product) though clearly some regions and businesses are better than others.
If the recreational use of smokeable cannabis were legalised in UK I reckon that the bosses of the startup companies would all within 5 years all sell out to “Big Tobacco” such BAT, JTI and ITL (after all this is exactly what happens with 90% of tech startups who end up being bought by Google, Microsoft etc) although the reality of this would be the NHS could still recover tax revenue and it would be no less harmful than the existing tobacco trade which isn’t going to disappear tomorrow no matter how much folk may wish it to.
I’ve heard it said that Marlboro already has land set aside to grow “Marlboro Greens” whether that is bullshit or not it goes along with the selling out to big businesses hand in hand.
California produces like 10x as much as any other state or at least did before Colorado and Washington legalized cannabis so if they went legal then it’d be game over for the black market. Strangely I heard that with that ballot referendum some people in the grey/black market in California were voting not to legalize it cause that’d cut into their profits.
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