Thank’s for the response, dont get me wrong guys, ive been a regular visitor to this site for years, it’s obvious that alot of research gets put in. The site is an excellent resource for anyone involved in the free party scene, thats not in question and stuff I have learnt on the web has probably helped me on the numerous occasions Ive had to negotiate with the OB while spannered!
My post was fuelled by pure frustration that my number 1 past time, that Ive had some of the most amazing experiences getting involved in, and as far as I know not done anyone any harm (apart from a few interrupted nights sleep 🙂 ) will be driven so far underground it vanishes without trace. Its still possible to get away with it week in week out if your smart and do your homework, its been a pretty good party season in my home county!
Its worth pointing out that the policing varies massively across the country, some forces are experienced and prepared to enforce the CJA to the letter where as some just blatently arent.
Im hoping the relaxation of the uk licencing laws will divert the OB’s attention and allready stretched resources back into the town centres for longer leaving us to Rave safe in the country side!!
Respect.
Its still possible to get away with it week in week out if your smart and do your homework,
I think I will ignore that remark because it is not that simple
its been a pretty good party season in my home county!
Its worth pointing out that the policing varies massively across the country, some forces are experienced and prepared to enforce the CJA to the letter where as some just blatently arent.
the point is that the problem raised from this thread is it is not now just about the CJA
Im hoping the relaxation of the uk licencing laws will divert the OB’s attention and allready stretched resources back into the town centres for longer leaving us to Rave safe in the country side!!
I think you will find that this WIll lead to them puting more resources into stopping partys that dont have a licence tbh but We shall see
No wonder your getting a bit of stick elraveon, you may be well informed on PEL laws, but your also very pesimistic and patronising for that matter.
I agree that in general the outlook isnt good, but my oppinion is that the days of 3-400 people + turning up to a rave that goes on till monday are, getting behind us, or hadnt you noticed? anyone trying to organise this sort of night without landowners permission and a license has got more minerals than me!
Despite this, smaller gatherings of up to say 200peeps are still happening every weekend all over the country, with little or no hassle, thats a fact, its not risk free, but what fun things in life aren’t.
I think that the obvious things to take on board from this thread if you have just started a soundsystem or are considering it, are get to understand the laws relating to partys, know your rights, dont flyer the town centre or plaster the net with details of your plans. The more selective you are and the more groundwork you put in to scoping out venues the less likely you are to come up against any unwanted agro.
I’m hearing that its actually getting easier to get a one off licence if you have the owners permition, a reasonable excuse ie wedding or birthday and you havent got a bar set up. It may cost a few quid for the license but maybe in the future this will be the way to go??
peace
ps, elraveon..
your comment:- ‘I think I will ignore that remark because it is not that simple’
well sorry mate but I think it is, it doesnt take brain of britain to scheme a party. It would be more helpfull if you spent your time researching legal loopholes and giving advice on how we can continue to party without the all seeing eye of the nanny state than painting such a gloomy one dimensional picture. Cheers anyway…
couldn’t have put it better myself. i havent posted here yet cos i didnt want to tear into elraveon again for being so closed minded about peoples attitudes to raves. not everyone is totally paraleticly scared of the pigs, mate.
i think we are returning to those days. the scum-tek events have attracted around 1000+ peeps, and that number is bound to grow, as freeparties are being more widely reported in the media, and also better represented. some people are willing to go to court, even jail to put these events on, because they beleive thats the way it should be. personally i hope that when i get nicked its for something big that i can whip a media frenzy out of.
i also think that crims assertation that the smaller parties go totally unnoticed is a bit shortsighted. i would say that these small events may come and bite you in the arse in future, if the same people are kept up. that said, it is possible to spread yourself around a lot and stay safe, but who’s to say that another rig isnt gonna rinse your site when you arent lookin? thats teh real problem.
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No wonder your getting a bit of stick elraveon, you may be well informed on PEL laws, but your also very pesimistic and patronising for that matter.
or is it an attempt to lure me into responding with the same.
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couldn’t have put it better myself. i havent posted here yet cos i didnt want to tear into elraveon again for being so closed minded about peoples attitudes to raves. not everyone is totally paraleticly scared of the pigs, mate.
nice one guys I think this is getting a bit low and desending into personal remarks based on very little information other than a few posts.
and use, I am told that we should get on by people that know us both so its a pity that you take this view of me from the small amount I post on here. but before I do take it personaly perhaps you might explain the quoted section a bit so I dont make the same closed-minded mistake as you 😉 (because you are far from the mark) and we lose the chance to work together in the future.
yea, sorry dude, you shouldnt take my remarks so personally as i frequently play devils advocate just to fuel the debate. im sorry if this is confusing.
however, what i meant by the quoted section was that many people are willing, and indeed glad to put themselves at risk from the authorities if it means that a lot of people can have a good time. while your advice is useful, you must accept that it is other peoples choice to reject it oin the grounds that by learning and avioding the law you are avoiding the issue, and that some people wish to fragrantly flout the law simply because they beleive it to be wrong (or on any grounds, for that matter). you may think that they are stupid, but that just makes you seem closed minded and arrogant (which i think all of us are to some degree). different people have different ways of doing things, and i wouldnt get disparaged from putting your information up because im sure it has helped lots of people.
Anyone know wot happend to the halloween scumtek party then??
elvraveon certainly isn’t scared of cops; he has been partying for rather a long time and is somewhat like Dr Who, dealing with a lot of monsters in different timezones.
there is also still a postcode lottery and numbers game as to the level of anti-party enforcement, (PEL prosecutions require expensive detectives and lawyers; and appear to only be carried out when the land has substantial commercial value.)
CJA can just use bobbies and sarges..
but I’ve also also a definite shift towards cops working together (if only because they have been forced to) whilst free party crews drift apart.
A lot of his views are coloured by developments in a particular party region that both of us spend a lot of time in. it is an affluent area of Britain where a lot of young people seem to have much spare time and money to set up rigs, yet often ignore many of the risks, but whinge and moan when then things go wrong or worse still turn on each other.
one thing that brought it all on top in our area was that a few years ago crews would take over multiple areas in the same region (some rather too near to residential areas IMO) with small parties because “X” refused to link up with “Y” over some stupid argument. however the crowds would then drive in modified cars as odd hours from party to party; and clog up narrow rural roads with extra traffic. hardly surprising the lcoals got pissed off..
but between them they could easily choose a venue which did not annoy too many people. also carrying on till Monday does cause more grief as farmers and rural people work on Sunday; another issue is people driving home whilst sleep deprived (there have been nasty prangs this way in which people from the scene have lost their lives).
if elraveon comes across as “pessimistic” then its only because all these mistakes have been made and there really has been a massive clampdown; there are multple problems facing the scene and PEL is just one of them.
another issue is the long-term effect of health problems amongst ravers – the NHS keeps a discreet eye on health problems caused by drug use at raves (not individual patient names but again counting the costs) every area has a drug action team which consists of cops, councils, NHS staff, and other agencies such as rehab units and other govt depts, they monitor unlicensed raves as well now (this is mentioned in the govts Safer Clubbing Guide)
Personally I think violence between people on the scene (which is no longer a London thing) and mental health problems caused by overuse of drugs is a far greater danger than the law….
but the only way it can be dealt with is by all of us talking to each other and dealing with it rather than turning on each other when the news isn’t good, and if you think you can change or alter a law by flouting it its best to know what the penalties are and how many others support your cause. Way too many otherwise good people are left to rot in prisons worldwide because they then underestimate their level of backup..
i take it ya a regular pain in the arse on sj as well
why as a moderator you are not telling DJ Vu to let organizers post:
so ya chat rubbish to them also
I don’t want to stop the party but because of the PEL cases:
how many rigs have been had on that in 12 months to the partys what have been had
thousands of flyers, so they would have a hard job proving it was private:
its a big private party
The organizers of scumtek if they even exist:
they are faireys really they are
Is DJ vu willing to take the fall and not implicate others:
im so waiting for a knock on my door
while the sun shines because on November the 30th they don’t have to look for organizers who may or not be rigs, any rig or DJ at a party deemed to be public is automatically considered part of the organization:
your beginning to either sound like a counciler or a pig or a judge??
Their devil may care attitude may lead to a rot and escalation of more systems giving up.::
tell them to remove there web adress and telephone numbers off various websites before they do, they dont want a knock on the door do they
djvu killed the scene :bigsmile:
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