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That’s half the fun!!
Nah normaly you should use a trusted vendor, check feedback on the forums. Or post a thread on here and someone can advise you.
Generally BAD
No liability to ensure quality control
Unknown long term effects
Reliance on info from unknown sources, things like fake reviews posted by people trying to sell it
BUT
Inevitable due to stupid laws and bias poor education, life is hard work and everyone needs way to let off steam and enjoy themselves, some like computer games, sports and various other hobbies, some like drugs, those that like drugs will always take them regardless of the law and if the law makes their drug of choice impossible to obtain they will try alternatives which are available.
I am very much an advocate of personal choice and self determination, IMO all recreational drugs should be legal, production & sales regulated & licensed, and factual education of effects & risks provided with every purchase.
So do trusted vendors ensure quality control? Who really knows? I’m new to all the RC stuff and don’t know a great deal about them. Although I have heard some very interesting stories about them and must admit some of the chemicals sound very interesting indeed 🙂
As for the long term effects am I write in thinking some of these chemicals have been around a lot longer than people think? obviously there’s side effects with most drugs, legal or illegal, its just up to the individual to be responsible in the way they use them. personal choice and all that jazz
I’ve seen a few that post supposed NMR plots of a sample of a batch they’re selling, but there’s obviously no guarantee that’s what you’ll get. Hopefully it’d stop the biggest danger which is them just batching up something shipped in from bulk from a lab in China, without even checking it’s what they ordered, and it turning out to be rat poison or whatever. Gotta hope that the guys running these businesses at least have some morals against committing mass manslaughter. Yeah, check the reviews too, see if anyone has ordered from them before and has a positive report (which is actually sorta tough, as it seems asking about suppliers on these forums get told not to discuss it as it’s against policy to promote RC suppliers, but I guess you can hope for a PM perhaps?)
When you get it, check it looks as you’d expect. If you’re expecting something with a distinctive smell, check it matches. And try a tiny amount first. I’ve got some AMT ordered, so I’m gonna eat a few mg before going for the full dose. Hopefully enough to feel something (to prove it isn’t a placebo) but not enough to kill me if it’s something bad, or my body just doesn’t like it cos of an intolerance or impurity or whatever.
well… good or bad compared to what? obviously compared to mezz’s utopia of libertarianism where david cameron makes most of his speeches spliff in hand, rc’s are bad. but actually there are only 2 popular legal/non-prescribed drugs (which generally are also full of ‘unwanted’ chems) and if you want anything else you have to roll the dice somewhat. you have to decide who you trust more; you’re friendly local dealer and his/her connections or you’re vendor of choice where you’re rc’s come complete with nomenclature that gives you that feeling of ‘science’ and therefore trust. unfortunately, as in all areas of life, if you wan it done right, do it yourself. if you can’t then you have to put your trust in others, but this is with everything in life, not just the small corner of recreational drugs. for me i would trust a reputable rc (i am loyal to the one i use) more than a coke dealer for example. if u do want rc’s i’d recommend choosing a vendor that sells specific chems rather than brands. its like when you buy porridge you know you’re probably getting rolled oats, whereas if you buy kelloggs who knows whats inside.
if we’re assuming that in all instances you are getting what you paid for; dealer or vendor, of course if you use tried and tested drugs (illegal ones), its easier to gage the risks, whereas with rc’s they’re all relatively new, but that said i think common sense and researching and reading other peoples reviews can minimise risk/ or wasting your money on products that aren’t worth the packet they come in.
you see, rc vendors are playing a game with the law… its all a legal game and its one that is putting lives at risk. if it was up to the government none of this would be possible, but unfortunately for them they are fighting a losing battle against chemistry… because… to make a drug illegal takes quite a long time, someone often has to die, a bill will be passed and the drug will be banned, but in that time the chemists will have a substitute drug made ready to take its place… and this will go on and on… prohibition will never work, people will never listen and chemists will always have another option. the bad part for you and me is that every time this cycle repeats we try something new and put ourselves at risk. for example, the somewhat dangerous drug GHB was banned and instead of going ‘ok nanny government, i see the light now,’ many turned to GBL which is much more crude and can be bought (by disguised vendors!) as alloy wheel cleaner, causing more deaths. this is an extreme example though.
but all that said, i like my vendor. i research before i buy and i’m fine! *twitch..scratch*
oh, and there was a really good documentary that covers these topics, its well worth a watch
So with all this risk of RC suppliers why isn’t there a forum where people can actually vote for or recommend someone safe? Surely that’s what forums and discussions like this are all about! After all it is the likes of us who are lining the pockets of these companies and taking the calculated risks.
I understand that we can’t advertise vendors etc, but one of the reasons I joined this forum was because of my interest in drugs and I think it would be a good opportunity to learn more about them.
As for the Our Drugs War – 4oD – Channel 4 I’ll be sure to check it out thanks for that 🙂
Yeah ive always found it hard to find a good vendor online and it takes a little bit of networking but always test your products if possible with reagent tests. Even if the vendor is relaible.
@Mezz 486375 wrote:
Generally BAD
No liability to ensure quality control
Unknown long term effects
Reliance on info from unknown sources, things like fake reviews posted by people trying to sell it
BUT
Inevitable due to stupid laws and bias poor education, life is hard work and everyone needs way to let off steam and enjoy themselves, some like computer games, sports and various other hobbies, some like drugs, those that like drugs will always take them regardless of the law and if the law makes their drug of choice impossible to obtain they will try alternatives which are available.
I am very much an advocate of personal choice and self determination, IMO all recreational drugs should be legal, production & sales regulated & licensed, and factual education of effects & risks provided with every purchase.
no no no no no.
Basically RCs are great, don’t buy some UK random shit they import and put on sites and just HOPE it’s good or HOPE it’s a drug… this is why you have such a negative view.
I have many vendors some are producing the chemicals in China personally and if you buy enough they will custom synth chemicals for you. Look up PIHKAL and TIHKAL these books are filled with some of the best drugs ever made with dosage information, trip reports, how to make the drug. These are generally the chemicals worth going for Phenethylamines and Tryptamines. They are created by the legendary drug chemist Alexander Shulgin, if you don’t know him then posting about if RCs are good or bad is a pretty ignorant thing to do (no offence meant but it’s true). Just in case people reading don’t know he made the 2C chemicals and lots of other gems.
Other good chemicals have been produced, Cathinones were a hit and still are. Some new chemist who has a fake limb created lots of good Dissociatives as it was the only type of drug which cured his phantom limb pain (MXE, 3-MeO-PCP etc). Etizolam is good for a downer/benzo legal/RC.
All in all RCs are excellent and if you take the time to just do a bit of research you can easily get vendors which are open 24/7 everyday of the year access to some of the arguably best and pure drugs out there (personal example 4-AcO-DMT, that is a GEM).
SAFEORSCAM.COM
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This site will let you know who’s scamming and who is not, or who goes bad etc. SIMPLEZ
@know_hope 486378 wrote:
well… good or bad compared to what? obviously compared to mezz’s utopia of libertarianism where david cameron makes most of his speeches spliff in hand, rc’s are bad. but actually there are only 2 popular legal/non-prescribed drugs (which generally are also full of ‘unwanted’ chems) and if you want anything else you have to roll the dice somewhat. you have to decide who you trust more; you’re friendly local dealer and his/her connections or you’re vendor of choice where you’re rc’s come complete with nomenclature that gives you that feeling of ‘science’ and therefore trust. unfortunately, as in all areas of life, if you wan it done right, do it yourself. if you can’t then you have to put your trust in others, but this is with everything in life, not just the small corner of recreational drugs. for me i would trust a reputable rc (i am loyal to the one i use) more than a coke dealer for example. if u do want rc’s i’d recommend choosing a vendor that sells specific chems rather than brands. its like when you buy porridge you know you’re probably getting rolled oats, whereas if you buy kelloggs who knows whats inside.
if we’re assuming that in all instances you are getting what you paid for; dealer or vendor, of course if you use tried and tested drugs (illegal ones), its easier to gage the risks, whereas with rc’s they’re all relatively new, but that said i think common sense and researching and reading other peoples reviews can minimise risk/ or wasting your money on products that aren’t worth the packet they come in.
you see, rc vendors are playing a game with the law… its all a legal game and its one that is putting lives at risk. if it was up to the government none of this would be possible, but unfortunately for them they are fighting a losing battle against chemistry… because… to make a drug illegal takes quite a long time, someone often has to die, a bill will be passed and the drug will be banned, but in that time the chemists will have a substitute drug made ready to take its place… and this will go on and on… prohibition will never work, people will never listen and chemists will always have another option. the bad part for you and me is that every time this cycle repeats we try something new and put ourselves at risk. for example, the somewhat dangerous drug GHB was banned and instead of going ‘ok nanny government, i see the light now,’ many turned to GBL which is much more crude and can be bought (by disguised vendors!) as alloy wheel cleaner, causing more deaths. this is an extreme example though.
but all that said, i like my vendor. i research before i buy and i’m fine! *twitch..scratch*
oh, and there was a really good documentary that covers these topics, its well worth a watch
Though most sensible people were just making GHB out of GBL.
GHB was alright, was like getting drunk off of a sip of liquid so being drunk without all the shitty gassy feeling. Only problem was it’s KO effect if you keep dosing and it’s very easy ability to OD on. Thing is though if it was sold properly it would be for example sold in a diluted liquid dose coloured blue with advice on it avoiding most issues apart from hedonistic stupid people but they’re gonna fuck up without GHB or the likes anyway.
+1for safeorscam, there were a few forums dedicated to rcs with vendors and reveiws but got shut down a few months ago, a
couple are slowly popping back up tho
@kpop 486441 wrote:
+1for safeorscam, there were a few forums dedicated to rcs with vendors and reveiws but got shut down a few months ago, a
couple are slowly popping back up tho
Why shut them down? The thing is if you do go on an RC’s website and read reviews on there, they’re going to be biased because they will probably have been moderated or made up. I’ve been doing some looking around and there’s loads of vendors, there should be like a league table or summat!! The top ten best vendor with the best products and customer service.
The premier league of vendors 🙂
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