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is ya arse sore as well as ya willy??

poor honey :group_hug

No – that sense of right and wrong is something we have gradually evolved, which is why in the days the bible was written, slavery was considered OK, but now we have evolved to realise that the enslavement of sentient beings is wrong. As society evolves, what is socially acceptable changes and hopefully leads us into a more enlightened state of self knowledge…

There will always be those who don’t know the difference between good and bad, which is why society exerts pressure on them to stop them from doing bad things…

I always get this answer when debating this subject with christians… Why is it none of them has a good answer?

Huh? Random threats of something baaaadd…What is that even for?

But does that mean if it isn’t in the commandments then it’s OK? After all, “do not enslave others” isn’t anywhere in the commandments….

The original sin thing is simple – doesn’t need a theologian, it’s bollocks – plain and simple.

Then why not say – we will have to agree to differ? instead of stating the blindingly obvious that eternity without hope and in pain would be a bad thing…

They’re not from my POV – enslavement is as wrong as murder or theft. Which is what I mean about taking the responsibility yourself for your own sense of morality instead of relying on someone else to tell you what is right and wrong…

Yup… agree to differ…

So it wasn’t considered wrong at the time, but we have evolved to realise that it is now. In much the same way that we have evolved to realise that marrying 10 year olds is wrong too (something that was considered normal at the time the bible was written)…

So they’re really more a set of guidelines for society rather than the absolute word of god (after all – god is all knowing, all seeing – you wouldn’t expect him to miss some out because he hadn’t evolved far enough to realise they were wrong… Unless of course it’s all a human invention and so a product of some of the morality of it’s time….)

So the law depends on context now? What’s right and wrong varies according to your culture and customs? (what if your culture has a tradition of the child sacrifice you were keen to point out earlier?) The omnipotent, omnipresent superbeing felt that leaving his followers to acts of ignorant evil while all the time believing they were doing his will was a better idea than making the list of “thou shalt not’s” a comprehensive one???

What a total mind-job (leaves the one with the burying dinosaur fossils to “see who believes in me” standing in the dust…) Does the idea of god fucking with your head not concern you at all? (bearing in mind that the penalty for not getting it right is such a severe one)… After all, judgement means judging in terms of right and wrong, and not just what the one being judged thinks is right or wrong (cos that’s an obvious get-out clause)…

And what of the ones harmed by others because of this failure to include everything in the list of naughties?… For such an all loving and knowing being that’s very callous treatment of innocents for the sake of not offending the customs of your followers….

Ah – the oh so special “what I think god meant to say” clause…

Why would a supreme being need an interpreter? Does he still only speak Aramaic or something?

Or is the truth that god and the bible are works of man, and as such require the ability to evolve so’s they don’t become so horribly antiquated that they’re an embarrassment?

Am I religious? No.

I went to a Baptist Church for about 6yrs.
They have a god-complex about them that totally turned me off to the church any type of church. Of course thats not to say I didnt learn things or morals I did but thats something everyone must decide for themselevs, its your own choice.

Afterlife?

Won’t know till I die. But I do believe there is something, and a higher power but i just dont know what or who per say.

What about reincartion? I have friends that have memories from past lifes I never have had any of these “memories” but its very intresting to me.

One friend of mine remember being on the Titanic and all the details when he was jus a lil boy. Another friend remebers getting dress up like a Flapper and telling her aunt about in a serious tone when she was only 3, then her aunt called her tootie after that. And these are honest decent ppl.

Just to make a quick response.

‘Original Sin’ is insulting, as noone should have to be sorry about being born Human.

Speaking as if the Christian reality was real now:

To be judged because of two individuals doing something that God should have known was going to happen anyway, around 4000 years ago (or however long Christians believes the Universe or Earth was created) is not a particularly fair, just and loving god, but merely a bully.

Peace.