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@DeezNuts 530616 wrote:

Lol.. I remember when I was like 11 and my dad told me that the government created AIDS/Cancer to cull the population.
It does make sense from the outside but if you look into it it’s a bit nonsensical really, but then again the government have tested weapons on people over Norwich I believe without them even knowing until many years later so it still is plausible and also MKUltra in the States & Canada.

I don’t believe in the AIDS conspiracy as such and the rise in cancer is more caused by humans using strong chemicals without knowing their bad effects, but conservative politicians and relgious types have tried to claim AIDS is judgment by God for sinful behaviour. But if any group of people want to effectively cull another group and take over their resources, aircraft and bombs followed by soldiers on the ground still remain by far the most effective way of doing so.

Even so, Africans amongst themsevles have had some full on wars for the last 20-30 years and yet aren’t exactly going extinct.

MK ultra and the Norfolk CBRN weapons tests are true, as are many others and the development of the British atomic bombs at places in East Anglia and now just outside Reading, but in reality the bulk of politicians and soldiers even if they have a war want to not just win it but gain something from it, not wipe out the entire world as well as their enemies, and CBRN weapons are indiscriminate even compared to using an aircraft or drone to fire a bomb or bullet to a known location.

In many ways the fact that folk are frightened of “conspiracies” is a good thing as not too long ago many folk openly supported their country or group doing anything necessary to win a war over others. WW II affected Europe well into the 1970s and the Cold War well into the 1990s. We only got our telecoms and internet because of the miilitary industrial complex.

A lot of my older friends did some very clever and brave things with aircraft and radar systems and computers but now regret that they had to spend the best years of their life doing all this (including being prepared to drop the atomic bomb on another set of humans just like us) when they would rather have gone to festivals and listened to Hawkwind and Yes (these are like psy trance for our parents/grandparents era) but had they not done so we might not all be here, those who grew up in the last 2 decades have lived in a time when the world was at its safest and most peaceful as limitations to resources/energy weren’t yet apparent..

@Pat McDonald 531125 wrote:

Not completely true. ARPAnet was a military research network, that is true. The physical ethernet connections and hub technology does have that as an ancestor BUT…

… the software side of it, hypertext, World Wide Web, was entirely civilian in terms of development. Although that depended on micro computers which came, not from the military, but from the scientific challenge of the Apollo project. Not exactly military, not exactly civilian. But the military certainly didn’t advance the microcomputer for the population.

in other words the Internet was an accidental consequence of military technology. I was one of the first users of the WWW at info.cern.ch, for which I got in a great deal of trouble at University (this was 1992) and there was still concern over folk connecting to certain “friendly” countries (which I had done)

“not exactly military, not exactly civillian” is what often applies to academia, unless profs and students (including young graduates) are full on peaceniks (some indeed are) they will and do switch sides to whoever pays them the most. I’ve seen it happen with lot at rat salad park (itself built upon a former RAF aerodrome) since the redundancies came up. Certainly the military used to get first call on hardware discoveries and many of the best brains, although today (with most of the Cold War now gone and richer countries having successfully used commercial markets to replace empire building) its now at the other side and civillian equipment on the open market is of better quality.

It is true that the UK supressed a lot of its computer technology and/or didn’t claim credit for it (though parts of Colossus and the concepts were clearly later reused by the Post Office in peacetime to control the Goonhilly satellite dish antenna tracking system, but as this was a mixed civillian/military resource as were (are?) all UK transmitter towers there was a certain amount of secrecy about it well into the 1990s.).

Also (before the time of many people on here, and it was stopping when I was born as the bunkers etc had all been built), when the Post Office was a public sector organisation, expansion in Cold War surveillance centres also did lead to resources “trickling down” to the public such as red telephone boxes in rural areas which were very expensive to provide them to, CND used to track down nuclear bases by following the phone lines and looking for increased activity by the Post Office in those areas.