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January 14, 2008 at 1:23 pm

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General Lighting

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I think theris a big difference between spirituality and organised religion

if people as individuals wish to believe in whatever higher beings they want to I have no problem with that.

where there is a problem is when organised hierarchical religions start imposing “moral values” on people over and above those imposed by elected parliaments.

Whilst I get a chance to elect my MP or councillor I do not get a chance to elect the local vicar/priest/imam etc.

Therefore unless I support their religion I do not feel they have the right to try and shape my moral values (and whilst I might bend the rules a bit I do not consider myself to be an evil person)

ironically I find the worst ones to be the happy clappy church of england types.

A conservative Catholic may say what I do is a sin but many of them don’t actually hate me for it (I usually end up with them praying for me).

Despite (or maybe because of?) the current climate I’ve found a lot of young Muslims I have met to be tolerant of my lifestyle -one of the few work colleagues at my old job I considered to be a personal friend was a devout Muslim. Of course he wouldn’t take part in some of the things I did but respected my choices.

But I find with the “alpha project” types they come across as all fluffy and poltiically correct but they are very close to middle england and the Conservative party, and we all know what they stand for. Church and state are rarely separate even in supposedly “secular” nations, people with power work together to keep it.
January 14, 2008 at 6:40 pm

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Playground Politics

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bones wrote:

I have 1 million and 1 brain cells….You didn’t upset me, it’s just in this day and age, when we know the universe came from the big bang, we know (maybe not you though) exactly how we came into existance, we know we evolved from the techno monkey, we know that the bible is manmade, even though we know all this, some people such as yourself, still believe in this manmade god, WHY?….The belief in any god, is nothing more than superstition!…no different from people that believe in fairies or the loch ness monster!…Why do you believe in god? What are you scared of? Do you think you are really going to hell? COME ON, LETS GROW UP FOR FUCK SAKE!!!!!

big bang is a theory, i cant help my belief, and its exactly that a belief, i will never have any fact that god is out there, and the quicker u realise that the quicker i go to heaven 😉
January 17, 2008 at 3:28 am

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JonnyQuest

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beleiev in a greater force all you like, rock on with that, but dont go by a major religion it just seems like a waste cause you can sort of trace em back to where and when sombody made them up
January 17, 2008 at 8:41 am

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DaftFader

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General Lighting wrote:

I find the worst ones to be the happy clappy church of england types.

I’ve found a lot of young Muslims I have met to be tolerant of my lifestyle

i know exactly what you meen .. personafied in a situation i was in a few years back …

i was living in some christian “help the needy” house hould when i was going to collage … this collage was the “best technical collage” in england aparently .. so it had atracted the uaa ..”united arab emrits” .. to train there solders in the mech and elec arts there … i lived along side several arab guys .. all muslim … but the guy who was there the longest with me … i got to know well and he was very tollerant with me being a raver .. i spent many a night telling about my escapaids .. lol …. but the host family i was living with seem to be intolerant of any sugestion of the idea ….
January 21, 2008 at 4:36 pm

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talebosh

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… can i ask why you belive that a theory that can’t be proved is absurd when you belive in the church’s theory of the creation of the earth witch happens to also not proved…?

….

It seem smy post came over wrong. I most certainly do not hold any belief that the place was created by some god like creature and to me it is as absurd as the big bang theory.
While the anarchist in me believes that everyone should have respect in whatever they do with their lives I find that more difficult when it comes to religious ideology which I find abhorrant in any shape or form. Each day that passes my discust for/at/all ‘religion’ increases exponentially. Thats not to say that there are some great people involved in a church or whatever that devote alot of their time hel;ping people esspesially at a local level. Its then i think – poor deluded fools.

oh and when it gets to scientology i get really mad but then again they are no more deluded then some christian/muslim/jew/& the rest
I was going to start a religion believing in the ‘google’ . It knows everything & is its own entity in its own right out of human hands now. We will be called the googlers & must give our lives to the google worshiping everyday by searching the wonders and depths of google.
January 22, 2008 at 8:20 am

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DaftFader

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talebosh wrote:

I was going to start a religion believing in the ‘google’ . It knows everything & is its own entity in its own right out of human hands now. We will be called the googlers & must give our lives to the google worshiping everyday by searching the wonders and depths of google.

haha fair play … me and a fiew m8s have had ideas of starting our own religons for the fun of it .. none of us have actualy don’t it yet tho ..lol :crazy_diz
February 15, 2008 at 7:40 pm

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pinkfairy

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i tried church for size when i was a teenager, i loved the feeling of acceptance and involvement that my church offered and found the feelings experienced in praise a real high… then i discovered raving…
i discovered a group of people even more excepting of my experiences and realised the rush i experienced in praise could actually be beaten by the rush when there is a decent tune playing and im dancing my arse off.

so does religion and raving clash? in my opinion yes, admitting to raving in the presence of a religious person(or religion at a rave!) is bound to cause you to need to justify yourself. the problem is not that the experience isnt similar at times,as illustrated, its that within both parties there is set of norms and values imposed which excludes acceptance of the other.
February 15, 2008 at 8:14 pm

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DaftFader

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Hey PV,
I have been a member of these forums for a while now, haven’t really posted anything very meaningful so far 🙂 But this topic really interests me. I’m going to start by replying to Daftfaders post as he is my best m8 and I know him well…

DaftFader wrote:

science has it’s limits ..ie. we only know what we can work out … your getting into the relms of anti matter ect … witch is hard for us to study/understand atm as we dont come across it that often … lol

Yes science does have its limits! However I believe we can work anything out if we put our minds to it! I don’t think we should take what scientists or the various religions as a fact, its not something that is cast in stone lol What I believe is that we all have the choice in life to believe what we choose to believe and that is choice NOT for anyone else to make, which is what seems to have happened from the beginning of time to the present; what I mean is that throughout history we have been told what to think what to do, what is right and what is wrong…by who you ask? The answer to that is by whoever seems to have more power than you…eg. the king…the pope, the rabbi…the doctor, the medicine man…the president or minister…your mother or father…or simply the wrong person…someone who does not have your best interests at heart! Life as I see it is a power struggle people project their own beliefs, thoughts and ideas on others, and when they do this, it makes them feel powerful…I’m sure every single one of you reading this can recall doing this, probably you do it everyday! when we do instill our beliefs in other people we take away their GoD given right to make their own choice there own decision…We need to stop telling people what to think how to act, their minds belong to them and no one has the right to invade your mind…this is my opinion of why this is the wrong way to go about it! So what is the right way to go about it in my opinion? The right way is your way, your own thoughts…your own mind stop letting others dictate to you what you should think, think for yourself…If you agree what I’m saying thats fine thats your own opinion thats your choice and I’m not going to force this on you…I can only show you what I believe and know to be true, this is my belief!

DaftFader wrote:

can i ask why you belive that a theory that can’t be proved is absurd when you belive in the church’s theory of the creation of the earth witch happens to also not proved…?

I don’t believe the churches theory of creation as it’s not my choice! In life I have to believe in me, life is full of lessons to help us grow, we just have to look at life from the right point of view…our own point of view

So…Whatever I believe its my choice to believe what I do because I know it to be true, I have proved it to myself by making my own choices to learn everything I can from myself and others and from the world around me, everyone is seeking happiness they are seeking the feeling of love… think about what I’m saying….no…i mean really think about what im suggesting……well I will leave it to you its your decision your choice to chose to think about it or not! I’m not about to tell you what to think, I can only show you the way I see it…………………………………..
February 17, 2008 at 2:00 am

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DaftFader

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DaftFader wrote:

Hey PV,
I have been a member of these forums for a while now, haven’t really posted anything very meaningful so far 🙂 But this topic really interests me. I’m going to start by replying to Daftfaders post as he is my best m8 and I know him well…

Yes science does have its limits! However I believe we can work anything out if we put our minds to it! I don’t think we should take what scientists or the various religions as a fact, its not something that is cast in stone lol What I believe is that we all have the choice in life to believe what we choose to believe and that is choice NOT for anyone else to make, which is what seems to have happened from the beginning of time to the present; what I mean is that throughout history we have been told what to think what to do, what is right and what is wrong…by who you ask? The answer to that is by whoever seems to have more power than you…eg. the king…the pope, the rabbi…the doctor, the medicine man…the president or minister…your mother or father…or simply the wrong person…someone who does not have your best interests at heart! Life as I see it is a power struggle people project their own beliefs, thoughts and ideas on others, and when they do this, it makes them feel powerful…I’m sure every single one of you reading this can recall doing this, probably you do it everyday! when we do instill our beliefs in other people we take away their GoD given right to make their own choice there own decision…We need to stop telling people what to think how to act, their minds belong to them and no one has the right to invade your mind…this is my opinion of why this is the wrong way to go about it! So what is the right way to go about it in my opinion? The right way is your way, your own thoughts…your own mind stop letting others dictate to you what you should think, think for yourself…If you agree what I’m saying thats fine thats your own opinion thats your choice and I’m not going to force this on you…I can only show you what I believe and know to be true, this is my belief!

I don’t believe the churches theory of creation as it’s not my choice! In life I have to believe in me, life is full of lessons to help us grow, we just have to look at life from the right point of view…our own point of view

So…Whatever I believe its my choice to believe what I do because I know it to be true, I have proved it to myself by making my own choices to learn everything I can from myself and others and from the world around me, everyone is seeking happiness they are seeking the feeling of love… think about what I’m saying….no…i mean really think about what im suggesting……well I will leave it to you its your decision your choice to chose to think about it or not! I’m not about to tell you what to think, I can only show you the way I see it…………………………………..

this was posted by burning 01 on my acount by mistake :laugh_at:
March 19, 2008 at 10:27 pm

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Joker78

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Playground Politics wrote:

lets remember that religion is a totally man made thing rather than spirituality

hmmm yes religion is a man made thing but so is spirituality….
March 20, 2008 at 1:54 am

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JonnyQuest

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JulesDogg wrote:

hmmm yes religion is a man made thing but so is spirituality….

do monkeys believe in heaven?
March 20, 2008 at 2:14 am

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DaftFader

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JonnyQuest wrote:

do monkeys believe in heaven?

your a monkey you tell me :laugh_at:
March 20, 2008 at 2:26 am

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JonnyQuest

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DaftFader wrote:

your a monkey you tell me :laugh_at:

OB!
March 25, 2008 at 12:39 am

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Joker78

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bones wrote:

when we know the universe came from the big bang

So all that there is came from a singularity of zero size and infinite mass that suddenly burst into life and expanded into nothingness to create everything. Hmmm

Sorry bones, just doesn’t wash with me. The math only stands up to a point shortly after the big bang. When enquiries are made about the nature of things when at the very moment the BB occured all the math breaks down. Additionally, there is no comments or even investigation into conditions prior to the BB. It is very much a theory. Yes it seems a useful theory, but theories are not facts. You cannot really say the universe came from the BB, all you can say is that the BB was a possible part of the process.

Science has nothing much to say about the origin of consciousness and those that do comment/investigate all seem to disagree.

I’m going to stick my neck out here with my humble opinion (*Dons flame-proof asbestos gown*)

Any given reality is created by the collective consciousness of the beings/entities that participate in that reality.

It is my view that consciousness is the number one force for creation and not matter/energy.
March 25, 2008 at 12:46 am

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DaftFader

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JonnyQuest wrote:

OB!

your such a one trick donkey :laugh_at:
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