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  • Unbelievable – bet they would not wish to be discriminated against because they were christian, muslim or whatever :you_crazy:you_crazy:you_crazy

    The report on this is here

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    Faith groups joined forces on Tuesday to try to stop sweeping gay rights laws they say will force them to act against their religious beliefs.

    Nothing like using religion as an excuse for discrimination is there? What will they seek next – the right not to have any contact with those who don’t share their beliefs? :you_crazy:you_crazy:you_crazy

    Get the feeling what they’re after is the right to do whatever they like because they have a particular belief…

    Anybody who’s read the bible remember any part that says “thou shall not be homosexual”?

    Don’t remember it in the copy I read (was an awfully long time ago I read it though)…

    Wonder how they’d react to a homosexual CEO discriminating against christians due to their belief that his/her life choice is immoral?

    No prizes for that answer btw….:wink:

    it seems to me that i am forced from my beliefs on a daily basis,whats the big deal, if i can deal with it as a fucked up individual surely they can, as a fucked up organisation, after all at least they have strength in numbers.Should be a sinch

    Hmm… interesting one…. I mean fair enough that there should be no discrimination on grounds of sexuality but from the sound of it this law would force religous organisations to allow homosexual marriages in their buildings – on the one hand that seems fair enough, but I think if you are goiung to enter into a gay marriage and it goes against a religions belief then why should the priest or whoever be forced to give that union his or her blessing, which in effect is what the law would bring about.

    Similarly, the law means gay bars would not be allowed to operate a no straight couples policy, but surely people of one persuasion have the right to gather together away from people who are not like minded.

    The thing is though that gay bars will almost certainly still operate this policy and go untouched as how many straight people would go to court over this, whereas the churches will get fucked up the arse (excuse the pun) as soon as they break these laws.

    Now normally I love nothing more than seeing the church being fucked but I have to admit they have a point here.

    I mean where does it stop – could I force the C of E to accept me having a satanic mass as my funeral as otherwise they are discriminationg against my religion, or a mosque to operate a christian wedding because I prefer their architecture to churches so want to get married there, and if they said no to performing the eremony there then they are discrimiating on religous grounds – I know this law doesnt go that far but the same arguments could be used as what are being used to force the church to do things outside of its beliefs regarding homosexuality

    Ive never heard of a gay bar ‘banning straight couples’. And ive worked in a fair few. The only time I think we get a little pissed off is when a gay bar starts turning into a more mixed bar…. The fags bring their hags (xcuse the pun) the girls love it, they talk their fellas into going with them, who then bring their mates for ‘moral support’ and eventually the gay clientele get pissed off! Fair enough, imagine if we all started going into very straight sports pubs, snogging in the corner and expect people not to react!

    Our society doesnt work like that unfortunately. Im all for people mixing together, but some..in fact most gay guys can-not totally relax in an atmospher where your constantly aware of how camp your being as you might get the shit kicked out of you when you leave (believe me it happens a lot)..

    As for marrying in churches, I can see why they would want to but I still believe its the churches choice, churches have always ‘chosen’ who they will marry, legally or not.

    I was an altar boy til 12!

    And I turned out to be a gay junkie, covered in tattoos and piercings lol

    Yeah I fully understand that mate, I’ve spent quite a bit of time round the bars round Canal Street in Manchester as have a number of gay friends and I have experienced and seen people turned away for being straight.

    However, I have no real problem with that as I can fully understand why the gay scene would want to segregate itself in this way in order to provide its clientele with a comfortable environment.

    However, it does cut both ways imo and although I wouldn’t say that bars should be able to throw people out for being overtly gay (snogging in corners etc as you say) I can see an argument as many straight people do not want to see it so surely the same argument could be used. However, its a case of at the end of the day that would be leading down the route of segregating communities which cannot be a good thing.

    However, on the issue of churches being forced to accept homosexual marriages etc then its a little different really – as you say it should be up to the religion and the individual priest being asked to conduct the ceremony as to whether they can do so under their personal belief system – surely they have that right just as much as a gay person has the right to marriage – and it appears from reading the article that this law will force them to break their own beliefs or else be charged with discriminating against the gay couple.

    I dont know if i believe in marriage anyway though, its always felt like humans desperately tryin to feel needed and wanted, and having that insurance of someone there. Someone you can blame when it all goes wrong.

    LOL – yeah I’m not one who believes in marriage either – just because its a religous ceremony and I refuse to accept that I need a certificate from the state and the blessing of any religion to make a statement that I love someone – I can make that statement myself anytime without the state or religions involvement.

    I think the insurance thing is definately part of why people want ot make a commitment though, def think there’s truth in that – not sure if its someone to blame though – more like the insurance of feeling someone is always going to be there – though these days with marriages lasting years not decades more often than not then at the end of the day thats just people trying to naively convince themselves of that security rather than actually getting it.

    kaito wrote:
    Yeah I fully understand that mate, I’ve spent quite a bit of time round the bars round Canal Street in Manchester as have a number of gay friends and I have experienced and seen people turned away for being straight.

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    I have been turned away from Mantos, its common on Canal st for straights to be turned away. IMO if this gay rights thing is passed it should also work that gay establishments should not descriminate also.

    Good photos and report of this here.
    http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/01/359629.html

    I’m still split on this topic! Seems alot of protests these days are just stupid and slanging matches for fredom of speach, freedom of religion ect ect.
    I walked past a protest in Manchester btween Israli jews and Palistinian Muslims. They was both acusing eachother of racism and blasting horns and yelling at eachother. I just laffed at them both and thought ‘why dont both groups admit there racist sectarians and fuck off home’.

    MrAHC wrote:
    I’m still split on this topic! Seems alot of protests these days are just stupid and slanging matches for fredom of speach, freedom of religion ect ect.
    I walked past a protest in Manchester btween Israli jews and Palistinian Muslims. They was both acusing eachother of racism and blasting horns and yelling at eachother. I just laffed at them both and thought ‘why dont both groups admit there racist sectarians and fuck off home’.

    well not much chance in that “”why dont both groups admit there racist sectarians and fuck off home'” everyone is out to blame someone else, its the sad way we live throughout the whole world

    itsupnorth wrote:
    well not much chance in that “”why dont both groups admit there racist sectarians and fuck off home'” everyone is out to blame someone else, its the sad way we live throughout the whole world

    I’ll agree with you on that one.

    Hear hear

    if u really love someone its not where u get married that matters and if a preist refuse,s ur right well the justs shows the their god is not so benevolent after all and why would you need the blessin of a ignornant crowd of biggots ?

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