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November 21, 2007 at 4:03 pm

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elretardo87

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As you all know I get quite agitated very easily at the moment.

Anyway theres a thread over on SJ about immigrants “stealing our benefit money” which has wound me up to the point where I want to go mental with a 2×4 lamping facists in the street.

People believe the shit the BNP feed them and think its perfectly reasonable. I just don’t understand it, they feed on peoples fear and fill anyone who will listen with complete bullshit and people believe it.

I hate racism and bigotry but the idea of an organisation actively supporting it and receiving government funding (BNP during scottish elections) totally disgusts me. Some of the most disgustingly viious attacks I have ever seen in my life have been carried out for supposed “political reasons”, where skinheads have attacked foreigners just for being foreign.

This is my country but I am not proud of it and I am most definately not proud that this shit is allowed to go on. Where do you draw the line?

The worst thing is legal channels will not sort a mind ruled by hatred even Adolf Hitler himself admitted that

the only way the rise of the German nazi party could have been prevented was if its enemies had recognised it for what it was right at the start and had smashed it in its infancy with utmost force.

Its scary to think that if they get into power I won’t be arround. People like me who stand for everything they hate will not be tolerated, whether I am active or not.

(THis is more a rant than a cohesive post and I’m sorry for that)

Anyway what is to bedone baout it?

Should we kick their heads in (which worked before)?

Should we fight them politically (failed miserably)?

or should we just let it ride and end up with the blood on our hands?
November 21, 2007 at 4:11 pm

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Tank Girl

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The only problem with ‘kicking heads in’ IMO is we resort to their language – it may be all they understand but we are not helping ourselves in the long term (although it prob works in the short term and may help you feel you are ‘doing something’ ) if we go down to their level – the political way is a long term haul but …..

I dont know the right way – I just know theirs is not my way

if that makes any sense…
November 21, 2007 at 4:19 pm

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elretardo87

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Yeh I know its not a good way, but politics has failed every time in the past. They have not even got into power yet and the implications of the BNP are already being felt.

My old flatmate was very lucky to get away safely after intervening in a brutal attack by skinheads on two Polish people in the street, one of whom later died. These people don’t think like real people at rallies; they walk straight past the lollipop wavers and the only rallies that have been stoped have been by violence.

From cable street til now, political pressure has failed in the UK.
November 21, 2007 at 4:23 pm

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General Lighting

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It is more the economy failing that fuels a lot of the “racist” violence – people may not agree with immigration but you see far less of the attacks when the economy is booming. They didn’t care as much about benefits being “taken” by foreigners when the Government was less robust about rationing benefits (which unless you are actually really ill are IMO surrendering to the machine)

Kicking heads in means both sides start wearing more robust armour and/or stepping up the arms race. I was just about a teenager around the time people took on fascists physically, and all it did was make them come back with more resources each time (it also triggered off the backlash of militant minority groups)

But the end result is the civil conflict that these types want anyway as they thrive on the anger… Look at the unresolved conflicts in Eastern Europe and other foreign nations that came out of every side taking matters to the street (ironically, this is why a lot of immigrants come to Britain anyway!)

Also ,as a British Asian I wouldn’t underestimate the “silent power” of minorities. If the BNP ever get serious power in any part of Britain, the well-off British Asian business community would pull out a lot of investment from that area. The economic shock of this would be as powerful as any bomb or bullet (and bear in mind also that the Islamic radicalisation which is actually frightening the whole country is also a product of minority youth feeling marginalised and threatened).
November 21, 2007 at 4:28 pm

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Tank Girl

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elretardo87 wrote:

Yeh I know its not a good way, but politics has failed every time in the past. They have not even got into power yet and the implications of the BNP are already being felt.

My old flatmate was very lucky to get away safely after intervening in a brutal attack by skinheads on two Polish people in the street, one of whom later died. These people don’t think like real people at rallies; they walk straight past the lollipop wavers and the only rallies that have been stoped have been by violence.

From cable street til now, political pressure has failed in the UK.

I know what your saying, I guess I still hold on to some niaeve hope that somehow it can be done – prob totally head in the clowds though…
I remain inspired by people like my friend to gave up her NGO job in manchester and returned to london to train to be a human rights barister (and get herself in tons and tons of debt in the process) so there are still people out there trying their best long term – as I’m sure you are- Ijust dont know though does fighting violence with violence work? I’ve been on demo’s that have turned so quickly and so badly ….. what have they achieved ……
November 21, 2007 at 7:30 pm

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spangle

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‘kicking their heads in’ and trying to crush the people who believe this is just as bad as them – oppressing a group of people because of who they are/what they think. To me it is pretty much the same wanting to stop people of a different race as wanting to stop people who have a different belief. Like most people I dont agree with racism at all, but some people do and in a way this places them in a minority just as being asian 4 example does. Unfortuantely politcal debate is the only way u can argue with this and remain justified – although taking a harsh stance on a violent related activity should and is done
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